They are 90% ultras 😔
Who is Bordiga and what is his dialogue with Stalin?
They called hakim a socdem???(like I agree he has some issues but this feels a bit far)
They consider China imperialist and said the USSR never achieved socialism and was capitalist actually. I thought these people only existed online.
They also said AES is a Brezhnevite revisionism and only 2 maybe 3 places have ever achieved socialism but didn’t say which ones.
I’ve only read Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Engels so maybe I’m just out of my depth and not understanding? Idk shit is wack what are y’alls thoughts?
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They’re certainly ultras. I haven’t seen many actual bordiga stans like that, like in a group, unless they are just ultras of another tendency that lives to use Stalinist as an epithet. Like Trots or some Maoists.
It’s always funny to hear them try to define how China is imperialist re: Lenin.
Call them rascist for agreeing with epstine about China. Then give them cookies. The. Call them revisionist for caring about premodern history like ww2. Then give them cookies again. Train them to be better
Clicker training liberals
uncritical support
I’m gonna go apologize to my plush panda bear for all the times I’ve called him a revisionist. He might be a Maoist crank who thinks the modern CPC is always 100% correct, but I’m damn lucky he’s the worst I’ve ever had to deal with “in the fur” as it were (oh yeah, I’ve seen real nuts online, but I’ve never actually met another commie IRL - just a few vaguely decolonialist types, most of whom were anything but ultraleft cranks).
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Lenin wrote a whole book about these dweebs. Drop it off at their next meeting and leave
Who is Bordiga and what is his dialogue with Stalin?
Bordiga is a guy who was leader of the Italian communist party from 1921 to 1924, he liked Lenin and he hated antifascists and Stalin. He kicked antifascists out of the communist party, and he thought Mussolini and Hitler were better than basically any living communist.
His “dialogue with Stalin” is a long series of critiques written in the 50s about why the soviet union isn’t really socialist according to him.
They consider China imperialist and said the USSR never achieved socialism and was capitalist actually. I thought these people only existed online.
You’re a western ML, you only exist on the internet.
You’re a western ML, you only exist on the internet.
I mean that’s not true, PSL is ML and is a legitimate political party with tangible real life presence
You’re a western ML, you only exist on the internet.
The problem with the Turtle Island left is not even just that we are a percent of a percent… it’s that we are disorganized, fractious, and spread out across this massive landmass.
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Fuck man
Assuming you’re in a western country this isn’t very uncommon, most westerners who say they’re communists are sadly more anti-communist than some apolitical average folks.
They also said AES is a Brezhnevite revisionism
They have a point with this one, but people unironically stanning Bordiga in any sort of generalized sense should not be taken seriously.
My experience with “academic” self-proclaimed communists is somewhat similar. They’re always arguing over semantics or text and do very little in way of praxis or community work. I’ve met more radical self-proclaimed anarchists, that might not have the best interpretation of communism, but are actually out on the street doing shit.
Honestly, I’ve never had a good experience discussing communism with a white people. Too hung up on terminology, rigidly academic, or just brain wormed from decades of propaganda.
they are leftcoms from what you are saying
So I went and looked up what that meant. i think you are spot on
They mentioned Bordiga, only (Italian) left coms care about bordiga but he’s their patron saint.
Bordiga ? The lasagna guy ?
They consider China imperialist and said the USSR never achieved socialism and was capitalist actually. I thought these people only existed online.
What definition of “imperialism” are they using? Did they use the term “social-imperialist” at all? These people exist in real life, albeit confined to very comfy armchairs in isolated book clubs, detached from the masses.
They also said AES is a Brezhnevite revisionism and only 2 maybe 3 places have ever achieved socialism but didn’t say which ones.
To be fair, it did originate in Brezhnev’s Soviet Union, but regarding socialism as ever happening at all is strange for “left” communists. Most of them argue that socialism never existed in my experience.
Looks like you have Bordigists who can’t even be consistent with their own ideology. I am sorry to hear that.
