I’m not trying to fedpost or any form of 
-posting in any form, more just marveling at the entirely lackluster response of the American public to the maddeningly absurd state of American politics.
Of course Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth, but it’s been that way for generations, and at this point I feel like the sheer amount of shit that is allowed to just fly by with full knowledge of the public with little or no 
moments is preposterous. Not to mention the fact that as things continue to get worse, there are more and more people who are desperate and/or unwell, and in such a position as to incite some crazy shit.
Like… at this point, it’s just open knowledge that the government is a cabal of bloated parasitic pedophiles, and it has been so for quite some time now. Not just “they MIGHT be doing some creepy shit”, but rather they definitely, 100%, without any question have been, are, and will continue to do the most abhorrent type of shit anyone can imagine, for their own sick satisfaction and greed. Conversely, the number of people who’ve lost someone to the soul-sucking nightmare that is our healthcare system, or who’ve lost a child or loved one in any of our many shootings, or any number of other reasons to be righteously revolted by this manufactured reality we live in, is surely immense.
While some people are obviously acting out in all the most disgustingly wrong ways (i.e. said shootings), there’s quite a lot of people who know the correct people to blame for our collective misery, who also have nothing left to lose, because they’ve tragically lost it all already.
So… am I just wrong to expect that more type shit should be going down by now?
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I’m not your kind of Communist. I don’t want suffering anywhere, but we’re not going to get past suffering if we just sit around and wait for things to get bad.
It’s a core complaint I have with a type of “ultra” leftism I encounter on this site. I don’t believe in a “vanguard”. I believe in empowering everyday working class folks, not some nebulous core of “leaders” who people will magically follow when things get really bad. This whole vanguard concept comes off as wishful thinking. Thinking that the American Revolution is going to look anything like what happened in China or Russia or Cuba is not realistic. Thinking that American leftists have to follow the same steps as in other places is also not dialectical.
If we want to see good changes happen we have to work with the people we have now. That means more mutual aid, more on-the-ground ICE watch and court watch, cop watch, etc. More spreading propaganda. More educating and having endless patience for the American worker who has been fed Capitalist propaganda and beaten down with Capitalist Realism their whole lives. It means figuring out how to make our ideologies work under a tapestry of individualism, because there is a cultural selfishness that I don’t believe people in most other countries have. And if that means we have to take baby steps into Democratic Socialism and elect a bunch more Mamdanis, hold a lot more Food Not Bombs, and do a lot more patient educating then so be it.
You don’t understand what a vanguard party is at all
The vanguard should be empowering everyday working class folk. It’s not supposed to be comprised of only revolutionary wartime leaders. They are meant to maintain a strong working knowledge of Marxist theory in order to educate and guide the working class to develop their revolutionary consciousness and class awareness. The working class, in turn, empower the vanguard through their “spontaneous actions” (protesting, striking, etc.) in a symbiotic relationship of sorts.
Responding to the “vanguard” bits people are commenting on:
I have had some bad IRL experiences with people who considered themselves “vanguard” and that has soured my opinion of the concept. On one occasion a “revolutionary vanguard” group disrupted my org’s reading group because apparently we weren’t left enough for their liking. That’s what the reading is for! They were very disruptive and basically forced the room into a shouting match and a lot of BS for almost an hour before leaving.
Another time a small Marxist org wanted to run some political education night schools. Our chapter decided to try working with them on a joint program since we wanted to hear their perspective and keep trying to unite with other left groups locally. That turned into a disaster! Long story short, the main instigator at this other org tried to break apart couples, saying so-and-so “wasn’t supportive”, caused a trans comrade a lot of mental anguish, and was a complete jackass to everyone that wasn’t 100% on board with their very narrow view of Marxism. And they pushed the same “vanguard” points and of course thought they were going to be that vanguard.
To me if there is going to be a “vanguard” it has to come from the people organizing on the ground, not from study groups. Unfortunately theory and practice are showing me that while in theory this is how the vanguard should form, in practice it just ends up being the loudest people in the room or the people who already have hangups or personality issues gaining an ego and defending it with this theory. People twist things to fit their personal needs and biases all the time. I mean look at all those Christians who love to tell everyone how to live but clearly haven’t read what Jesus was all about!
Forgive me for leaning more towards my Anarchist friends’ views on this. I believe if leadership forms it should form organically and should be people that are heads down doing the work, not the people who have read the most theory. Theory is great and important to understand, but I don’t value it as highly as having on-the-ground experience. I see others posting that the vanguard needs to be organizers. Hopefully ya’ll have had better experiences where you live.
I’m sorry you had that experience comrade. That elitist mentality has no place in a true vanguard. Like another poster who responded to you with “you don’t understand what the vanguard is.” How is that helpful? We should be helping each other with our understanding of theory, not lording our understanding over others.
The vanguard will be made up of teachers and organizers. They will be shoulder to shoulder with you in the trenches, ensuring the revolution is comprised of an educated proletariat rather than a chaotic angry mob.
I apologize, my screen didn’t show your whole comment and I just saw the first few lines.
I get where you’re coming from. I think based on where you’re coming from, and if I see the same thing after more reading (Lenin is on my to read list) then maybe I am just a “sympathizer” or a Democratic Socialist or whatever left-lite term you want to use. I know in my personal life that I am the most radical by far, but that doesn’t mean much in the global sense.
You’re also right that I’m not comfortable with wanting my material conditions to get much worse for something that isn’t a guarantee. For all I know if conditions really get bad here we will just become a fascist hellhole and the guys with the $90k pickup trucks with flags hanging out the back will start shooting anyone that’s any shade of brown. People like me aren’t going to take up arms unless there’s literally no option left. My life IS comfortable despite being jobless and having to resort to weird side gigs to get by. Life could be a lot worse.
If Capitalists knew what was good for them they’d keep YouTube free and make the “treats” cheap and plentiful, but IDK if there’s enough of them that can be that forward-thinking. The circuses are getting enshittified, and we just hit the edge of losing bread…
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Thank you for the thoughtful replies. I will have replies later probably tonight.
Reply is late, sorry about that. It’s been a good thread.
I have read this one a couple times. Where I have to have hope is in the business class here failing to act in a way that keeps the illusion going for us burgerlanders. They’re not working in tamdem and because the system requires them to be ruthless about squeezing profit from anywhere they can, they lay off people, replace people with AI and self-checkouts, offshore jobs, convert full-time jobs to gig jobs or part-time, etc. That’s where we have to come in.
I just can’t go with the idea that things have to get SO bad that all of these people have to be literally starving or gunned down by troops before they will demand better. I’m hopeful that even in my suburban, “comfortable” surroundings that I hear a lot more class consciousness around me. There has to be a point where people realize, despite all of the propaganda and despite that subconscious notion that they benefit from the global imperialism, that “hey, I’m getting screwed over too! Not as bad as in Africa, but still”. If life isn’t good for the average American what does that say about the people in other countries? The American Dream is a nightmare. Imperialism only goes so far when you can’t afford a house, a car needs a 15-year loan to purchase, everything costs too much, and wages aren’t going anywhere. I have to believe people will break sooner than the point where they can’t afford food, right?!?
Sympathizer recommended the Jakarta Method and I believe it would resonate with you. Here is a section from the end I still think about to this day
Additionally, here’s the article on “brainwashing” and why most first world workers appear to be brainwashed by capitalism. You basically already summed up the thesis without knowing it
“My life IS comfortable despite being jobless and having to resort to weird side gigs to get by. Life could be a lot worse”
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
Organizing is weird here in the states because the people who can afford to take time out of their days to organize are mainly white, mainly middle class, and have fairly comfortable lives. People aren’t organizing out of “desperation” because for all intents and purposes that’s not what’s happening on the ground here. Of course our orgs being full of these people means that we have a hard time interacting with the people we are trying to help and who are truly destitute such as the folks on SNAP, homeless people, chronically unemployed, etc.
I am aware of my privilege and the privilege of those organizing with me. We still are doing ICE watch, are still organizing mutual aid and such, but I don’t consider us future leaders or any revolution.