I saw that a post was made in !main@sh.itjust.works about defederation about a month ago, an admin commented to make a post here to discuss defederation, but the post was never made.

https://maga.place/ is very obviously a small community with no real substance to it, but I saw an antivax post to !science_memes@mander.xyz and was surprised it still exists.

Anyways I don’t really have a lot to say but uh, I recently hit a full year on this great instance 😊 (old account @TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works)

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    8 days ago

    That’s a really poor analogy here though. Here’s one that I think is better:

    • instance = country
    • community = bar
    • federation = visa agreements

    Communities can block individual users that are undesirable without the instance getting involved. That’s the Nazi bar example, and it’s totally reasonable for communities to have strict moderation for who they let in.

    Instances should only get involved if admins from another instance refuse to take action against their users who cause issues. And an instance can block another with minimal drama, it’s like border security not accepting visas from that country any more. Until we have evidence that an instance isn’t capable of enforcing rules on its users, there’s no reason to ban them.

    • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      8 days ago

      Well that’s why we’re voting, isn’t it? This isn’t the admins making a decision to defederate, it’s the users.

      And jesus fucking christ the amount of FUD going on over this is more enough to show that it should be defederated.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        8 days ago

        Yes, and that’s why I’m making my case for not defederating. I don’t like their content, and honestly wouldn’t be sad to see them go, but I’m against defederation decisions being made based on political views, and that seems to be what’s happening here.

        FUD going on over this is more enough to show that it should be defederated.

        Weird, I came to the opposite conclusion. Here’s the process I followed:

        1. Saw the post in main asking if we should defederate, and I pointed them here
        2. Saw voting thread pinned and saw only yes votes
        3. Looked at the post body and the linked posts and saw zero evidence posted
        4. Looked at the actual instance and saw a bunch of conservative talking points and very little discussion or votes; total users were 26 or so, and they pretty much only had a conservative community

        The negative impact to users seemed exceedingly small, since they didn’t even have engagement on their own posts, and I haven’t seen anyone discussing issues with the few users they have.

        So why defederate? This seems like a bunch of people virtue signaling over pretty much nothing, mostly based on the domain (WTF?), and somewhat based on conservative views.

        I think we should stay federated on principle to remind people that civility has value. We don’t want to be like Lemmy.ml that bans people over content critical to the CCP or Russia, and how is defederating from this instance any different?

        Maybe we need to defederate later if their instance causes issues, but then we’d be absolutely justified.