• MehBlah@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    I only know a few that live around here but everyone of them can see it for what it is.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Unfortunately, the polls in Israel aren’t nearly as generous. If you think the US is drowning in fascist, the Israeli press is a tidal wave of unchecked genocidal vulgarity. People straight up calling for the total extermination of Arab peoples on air and being greeted with applause.

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      1 day ago

      There’s been anti-war protests in Tel Aviv every weekend for over a year. You’re not going to hear about that on your alternative media that’s working to dehumanize Israelis.

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        The protests are for the release of hostages, and explicitly not to end the wars, the people actually trying to stop the war are a tiny minority that was active in giving aid to gaza, and are portrayed by most of the population as terrorist sympathizers.

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        How many of those protests are about Palestinians?

        The vast majority of them, and the largest of them, are about saving the “hostages” and opposing Netanyahu.

        One of the largest protests so far: https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/israelis-protest-gaza-war-netanyahu-wftw9xpj

        Not a single mention of Palestinians.

        Speaking ahead of the rally, Yehuda Cohen, father of hostage Nimrod Cohen, accused Netanyahu of “blowing up the hostages in Gaza.” He stated: “Netanyahu is killing the hostages and destroying the country.”

        “The hostages’ lives are in your hands, time is running out, the hostages have no time. We’ve seen hostages return. You have the power to do this. So please do it already. Sign phase B and bring my brother back to me. Give me my life back, now!"

        The surge in demonstrations was also partly triggered by Netanyahu’s move to dismiss Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar and Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara.

        “The government has launched a direct, violent and unrestrained attack: on us, on our democracy, on our values, on our future, and on the lives of our children. It will not win,” he went on, accusing the government of “turning its back on the law, on the High Court of Justice and on the public.

        “This struggle is not another protest. This is a struggle for the face of Israel. This is a struggle for our home,” he implored.

        • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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          23 hours ago

          I realized this last year, and it’s really tough to digest. I can’t believe so many people in that country simply don’t care.

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            15 hours ago

            Lots of propaganda. Likely their entire lives. And the lived reality of attacks from hamas over the years to lend credibility to it. It’s sadly not surprising. Whoever controls the flow of information controls the people.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        There’s been anti-war protests in Tel Aviv every weekend for over a year.

        Sure. And you had people handcuffing themselves to the White House fence protesting the US invasion of Afghanistan as far out as 2012. But these have been a tiny, vocal minority. They’re in no way representative of the public (much less the Israeli media or their corrupt plutocracy).

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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      23 hours ago

      To be fair, our media here in the States is insanely horrible.

      I cannot fathom why so many Israelis are acting so evil. I actually don’t know a single Jewish person here that supports the genocide. Those I do now are actually amazingly upset about it.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        I cannot fathom why so many Israelis are acting so evil

        For starters, their media is genuinely worse. The politics is just as bad.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_as_animals_in_Israeli_discourse

        Rehavam Ze’evi, at the time Minister for Tourism, once referred to the 180,000 Palestinians working in Israel as a cancer, “lice” Israel must rid itself of.

        So that’s the baseline of discourse, and it goes downhill from there.

        I actually don’t know a single Jewish person here that supports the genocide.

        I’ve got family up in NYC who continue to insist it’s not a genocide and who will point to Oct 7th any time Israeli war crimes as mentioned.

        Of course, this same family will complain about how many fat black women there are on the subway and tell me how they’re having too many kids.

        So…

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    This is feeding literal antisemitism

    The Jewish population is a diverse set of people who may or may not support Israel.

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      I guess the Zionists should stop committing war crimes then to stop feeding it.

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        The Jewish population is not committing war crimes. That is like saying that all Asian people are loyal to China. It is just plain racist and takes pressure and responsibility off of the people responsible.

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          Where have I mentioned Jews? Zionist =/ Jew.

          It’s people like you who conflate Judaism with Zionism are the ones who are hurting Jews by spereading prejudice.

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      Because people want to blame the Gaza genocide on Jews instead of holding the leaders and soldiers of Israel responsible.

      Jewish hate needs to not be tolerated

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    22 hours ago

    Another 60% believe the sky is blue. The rest are not sure, too hard to think.

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    I know for a fact war crimes were committed by the allies in WWII.

    Also it would be nice to know the exact wording of the question, samples size, margin of error, etc. because that can be relevant. But this looks to be another propaganda site trying to pass itself off as a news site. We can’t expect professional journalism from sites like that.

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      I know for a fact war crimes were committed by the allies in WWII.

      And in your mind that makes what Israel is doing completely fine??

      Also it would be nice to know the exact wording…

      OP already linked the PDF. Here’s a screenshot showing the question:

      And here’s one from the referenced Pew survey:

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        Well it’s like Chief Wiggum saying “I heard there were some crimes in New York” “Oh you admit there’s crimes in New York? That makes you guilty!”

        Crimes happen in every city. Crimes also happen in every war. Recognizing that crimes happen in war time has the same significance as recognizing the fact that crimes happen in cities. Feeling like you “got 'em!” because of the existence of crime puts you on the same level as Chief Wiggum. It’s really silly.

        Also I need to remind you, holding civilians hostage is a war crime. Hamas has committed a continuous war crime since October 7. Do you go out and protest Hamas? Why not?

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          Funny you don’t see the irony of that actually being your argument.

          Do you go out and protest Hamas?

          What a ridiculous question. The vast majority of governments have made their feelings about Hamas very clear. Do you go out and protest crime?

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    Since many members of various social groups and political movements have an “It’s ok when our guys do it” philosophy, is there follow-up data as to who thought “Yes, they did war crimes and they were the good/bad kind of war crimes”?

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      Or rather separate the question “war crimes were committed” from “the war should be stopped now” vs “the war should be stopped when Hamas has lost”. For example,I think it’s a kind of an objective fact that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza, but I don’t think that implies that the war should be stopped before Hamas is thoroughly beaten.

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    I wonder what percent think they didn’t commit war crimes vs those that are on the fence

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    Edit, didn’t see the other poll.

    I feel the title is a bit disingenuous. The questionnaire didn’t have a “Is Israel committing warcrimes/conducting genocide/starving people” or anything like that. It does contain “Has Israel gone too far?” and “Are you concerned about military killing civilians” for example.

    It’s a nice read with graphics.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/10/03/how-americans-view-the-israel-hamas-conflict-2-years-into-the-war/

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    Okay, but more important than the question of whether they’ve done it is the question of whether it matters. Canada’s got a history of seeing what we now call war crimes as “the Geneva to-do lists”, but we seemingly don’t hold it against them.

    So - does it matter? And why should it matter in this case and not others?

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      It should matter in all cases. In Canada’s case, it is a historical issue and cannot be undone, whereas this is ongoing and can be changed.

      Canada has paid reparations to victims, and many efforts have been made to document and acknowledge the harm done.

      While this may well be a case of “too little, too late”, it’s not something many people can see Israel ever doing, especially since most Canadians were unaware of the residential schools until very recently, while the majority of Israelis have made their feelings towards Palestinians very clear.