• Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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    I will say there are lot of areas of the country where things like biking and bussing aren’t feasible and I empathize that people don’t have that level of convenience.

    I will also say that there are many areas of the country that do have bus service or could bike to work and refuse to try it.

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      And many people could move across town or something if a car-free lifestyle was important to them.

      Having a car is a choice in many parts of the work world, and making a different choice can be uncomfortable and require effort. But it is a choice.

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        i’v been nearly everywhere in america, and this very obviously not true for large sections of the country…deliberately so

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          I’ve been in a number of places in America as well (not everywhere), generally in places that are explicitly not convenient to live carless. For example, I grew up in the suburbs of Seattle, before the nice train lines were put in, so the only option was the crappy bus line that didn’t go anywhere. My sibling still lives there, and they biked to work for a few years, despite the infrastructure there sucking for it. I live in the suburbs of Salt Lake City, just out of reach of the train system, yet I was able to bike to work for a few years. My in-laws live in the suburbs of LA, which has notoriously bad mass transit, and I’ve seen people there cycling to work.

          I don’t cycle or take transit to work, but I could if I really needed to, it would just take about 1-2 hours each way to get there vs 30 min or so by car.

          If you look for solutions, you’ll find them. If you look for excuses, you’ll find them. Either way, it’s a choice you’re making, whether consciously or not.

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            i’m not talking city suburbs, i’m talking that town in the middle of nowhere USA whose name nobody remembers, that only exists because of the local trucktop. with a 4 lane highway splitting the whole town in 2 and no pedestrian crossing on that roadway at all.

            cross that on foot/bike and you risk your life

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              Eh, I have a different sibling in an area like that. They live right off the highway about 10 miles from town, the highway has no sidewalk, and road speeds are typical highway speeds (about 60 mph). Yet they ride into town all the time. It’s not as small as the type of town you’re referring to (my sibling’s city has several thousand people, and the larger town has 20-30k people), but it’s about the same setup.

              Yes, car-free living isn’t practical in many areas, but it’s practical in a lot more areas than most people give credit for. And it’s possible to move if that truly is the lifestyle you want.

              Again, my point is that you’ll find whatever you’re trying to find, be that solutions or excuses.