Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

lea-bounce

  • T34_69 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    14·
    22 days ago

    What else are they supposed to do? There’s no user union and the rules say if you get banned, then create another account, so banning them for “ban evasion alts” actually doesn’t make sense. And if they get death threats / death wishes from one aggressive user who likes to verbally abuse people in arguments, then I can’t fault them for wanting to come back and argue for themselves, especially when other people wouldn’t want to wade into that personal shitstorm to defend them for fear of catching that verbal abuse or bans.

    Also, burning that flag is for you because it’s for humanity, and besides, a lot of our future actually pivots around Palestine, it’s not just a regional issue.

    • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      8·
      22 days ago

      The site has no means of permabanning a user because the IP of users is scrambled when created. Which is fine, vpns would make IP bans worthless anyway. So I agree that “ban evasion” holds very little water. (I wish there was a “by referral only” option for allowing account creation, but that’s another topic). This, it would seem, is an issue z is happy to exploit.

      But is it really that hard to see how deceptive it would look if you had an alt and used it to comment “T34_69 was right and should never have been banned”? That interaction I linked doesn’t seem deceptive to you? The other user clearly didn’t appreciate the deception. Another user just told me z DM’d them pretending to not be zposter. It’s just strange behavior.

      My understanding is z and nik have been beefing for a long time. It’s probably worth it to read their back and forth history to get the full picture of their engagement with each other.

      The mod log is public.

      Also, burning that flag is for you because it’s for humanity, and besides, a lot of our future actually pivots around Palestine, it’s not just a regional issue.

      Yeah I hear that, but a white boy from mayo city posting on a niche web form from his couch isn’t exactly the vanguard. There are more deserved voices then mine in this space, so I yield to them. I’ll use my voice offline where it has more material impact.

      The only reason I’m bringing up Zs deceptive use of alts is to try and separate their long history of being agro from their alignment on this specific issue. They were not banned for their take, they have a history of being agro and have been banned in the past for a variety of things.

      But they’ll keep making alts, and we should just be OK with that because they “have good takes” or are “ahead of the curve” or whatever.