Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

lea-bounce

  • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    19 days ago

    I think there were only 2 arguments that I ended up feeling were worthwhile against burning the Israeli flag;

    1. We get to avoid some accusations of anti-Semitism (though I find this one pretty weak and lacking in any strategic or long term thinking, and doesn’t hold up against the counter arguments)
    2. It was important to you personally and you’re a super contributor that’s important, and so it would be throwing you aside to go on with it.

    I’m glad we can be past 2 now, and I commend you for being so open about it. I hope you can find some other symbols, too, which represent your religious and cultural positions, aside from the Star of David. That because I unfortunately think it is on am irreversible trajectory towards losing all connection for all non-genocidal people. I’m not saying that’s good, but it’s how this will likely shift in the future, and I hope you have peace in that shit storm that you, an anti-zionist, didn’t want or need

    • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      13·
      19 days ago

      I think your version of argument 1 isn’t quite right. The point was that if a wrecker came here and wanted to stir something, using that emoji would be very effective. We used to get a lot more wreckers when the site was new, so it was a very valid concern.

      • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        19 days ago

        Well yes, that’s one of the accusations of anti-Semitism we would avoid. And that’s definitely the strongest of the arguments within that set, for sure! I still find it weak as opposed to just banning those takes and having principled anti-zionism usage only or something.