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can they?
ought they?
may they?
under communism if your dad says “I’m going out for a pack of smokes” big brother will detect this and dispatch a cigarette delivery bot before he can even turn the doorknob
Today, men aren’t paid enough to have a single family. In the “good old days” men only made enough to support one family. Under communism, everyone be legally required to have at least 10 families and will be paid enough to support those families.
No and in fact we will actually invent communist time machines so I can go back and beat up my alcoholic great grandfather for two-timing my granny. She was a nice lady, you piece of shit.
well the secret second family thing comes from families being seen by men as a thing to own. so owning more than one is gooder-er. so to combat that, you’d need to deprogram that idea. which would probably be one of the things for the re-education camps and what not.
after that, it depends on if we go for continuing to normalize monogamy or relationship anarchy. im poly so i’d think that the second way makes more sense if people stop thinking of romantic relationships being an exclusive thing (like we have multiple friendships but only one romantic relationship). but i’m not sure how feasible/realistic that is anyway because i don’t really get the issues most people have with being poly. so idk!!
so yea, if we keep monogamy as the default then there will still be cheaters but it will be less gendered because we won’t have the “man of the house” brainrot anymore. so basically im saying under woke communism we will have women with a secret second family
i don’t really get the issues most people have with being poly.
one barrier for me is that i’m not a swinger or a cuckold festishist and any partners of mine would have thousands of times the opportunity as me and given the level of interest i’ve received in life it would functionally amount to one of those unless we formed a closed n-cule, which is a kind of poly but not what people are usually talking about.
i already didn’t get enough time with one partner because of work hours and stretching that time even further is a non-starter. comersion or whatever the fuck it’s called wouldn’t make up for me being home alone.
I’m not the sort of person to be interested in having more than one serious romantic relationship simultaneously myself, but I also don’t really see people’s problems with polyamory, and in theory, I wouldn’t mind dating someone who’s also seeing other people, as long as we’re communicating about it. Tbh, I think there’s a lot of things that make a lot of people uncomfortable, that to me, is just “Is everyone involved a consenting adult with full knowledge of the situation?” And if so, I simply can’t see the problem. Like, my problem with cheating is the dishonesty, not the dating or fucking multiple people. My problem with a lot of “weird” relationship models or kinks is either nonexistent or only related to informed consent issues.
So yeah, I don’t think that enforcing or promoting monogamy is something that a socialist state should be spending time and energy doing. The vanguard has more pressing social issues than who’s fucking who. But, like you, I’m not sure to what degree normalising alternative models is feasible, because I do not understand people who are opposed to polyamory on a deeper level than my “I don’t care if others do it, I’d have to have a talk with a partner who wants to do that, it wouldn’t work for me personally to actively date multiple people” position on it.
yea im basically the same. whenever someone explains their issues with poly to me im just like “? well yea ur idea of / how you’re doing poly is inherently unhealthy of course it’s gonna suck”
Yeah. I’m against unhealthy relationships, not relationship structures that defy the “nuclear family”. But then, I’m not necessarily a family abolitionist who’s against that structure, either. I don’t care how any group of consenting adults choose to organise their sexual and family life and share the responsibility for any resulting children, as long as the relationship is healthy and any children are treated well and with respect. I would be equally upset with an unhealthy traditional Western nuclear family as with a poly situation that led to unhealthy behaviors between the adults involved or towards any children resulting. I also don’t think Sarah’s three moms and two dads and several partial siblings are any less of a valid family than Emma’s one mom and one dad and little brother, and neither of those little girls should think of their family as abnormal.
Look, I probably need to actually read what Engels had to say about the family and the capitalist state, instead of just saying he was right.
Under communism we will all be in one big family, so this becomes literally impossible.
That’s gonna make the sex really awkward
No because of mandatory demasculinitization.
well that solves it
Yes, because under communism men will be able to get pregnant so they’ll have one family with a woman and then one family themselves
Put that shit in space and I’m onboard.
I’d guess that with a reduction of mass differences in wealth, they’ll be much much less economic advances that certain men have over women. Most secret families seem to be with a super rich older guy and an economically disadvantaged younger woman. If the dude doesn’t have unnecessary wealth, and the woman can take care of herself, that would make it less likely.
I’m sure they’ll be cases of random charismatic and unscrupulous guys who work in two different cities, but it’ll be much less common.
I heard recently about a case where the man had a modest but stable job. Both women had also decent union work. So to the “unsecret” family he was contributing say 60% of his income. The mother of the secret family knew she was the second family so mostly self-managed with the more transient father contributing a lesser amount.
In effect, it was 3 adults pooling resources to raise the 3 or 4 kids bewteen them, though only 1 of the adults an 0 children knew of it.
I’m sick of people asking this question. Every man will receive a second spouse and children distributed by the state Duma. It’s discussed on like, page 4 of State and Revolution.
would make a joke about being collectivised here but I served my time in horny jail and have no wish to return, ty.
Not only the men, but the women and the children too.
I can’t imagine where anyone would find the energy for that kind of thing.
One bandaid to chronic depression and existential anxiety, I’ve found, is to constantly be doing things until you collapse from exhaustion, then wake up and start again immediately. Always have a situation to deal with, be active non stop.
My thought is that people that do this have a similar thing going on, though using other people to achieve the goal of distracting from your inner turmoil is obviously bad.
That makes some sense, though I find it hard to relate since my cope for those things is usually sleep and alcohol.
Mine is no sleep but also alcohol
but if they do, i hope they get some kind of award, like stakhanov
Yea there will a second family rotation system to ensure that with years of low second family yield that men can still have a secret second family for at least part of the year. We’re doing research into a rotation of first family’s to be temporarily second family’s when the husband of the first family is at his second family’s.
second family rotation system
wouldn’t that be more like dual families
or a binary family system
I was envisioning a permanent first family while your second family rotated and you didn’t always get the same second family. We can’t ensure enough husbancide to provide enough husbandless family’s for all the men that may want a second family. Think of it like a time share system where you get a second family a certain amount of time a year and when your not with your second family someone else will be.
Cube for families
We can’t have timeshares, those are such well known symbols of ultimate predatory capitalism that we must abolish them under socialism! Don’t you people know anything? Read your theory!
We will abolish families, so no
They will be public second relationship units
In the least weird way possible, I would love to be a public uncle lol
Renta-UNC
Public universal uncle
Or whatever we’ll call uncles in said society (as long as it’s not late for dinner!)
Thank you for clarifying.
I think in my mind, the secret is more important than the second. Lots of men have public second families: blended families, step children, remarriages etc.
I guess a man with a secret first family is called a deadbeat. Which is a whole other discussion about communism and socialized childrearing.
If we abolish patriarchy before then, no.
Deviation from your assigned mate, who has been genetically selected for you to produce offspring most suited to serve The State™, will immediately deactivate your erection control chip.
