cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6846087

Full disclosure on Friday night my brother chill-left showed me this conversation and I believe it is worth sharing.

“Teia Rabishu” has been the top mod of antiwork since the massive scandal of a moderator appearing on Tucker Carlson who spoke about their part time job as a dogwalker. She appears not to understand the concept of the Overton window. Her defense of the decision to ban, “Platforms affiliated with the CCP, such as TikTok and Rednote, because China is a hostile foreign government and these platforms constitute information warfare.” despite the opposition of the moderators and users of the sub is suspicious, unethical, and totalitarian. In typical “dictator fashion”, her entire stance seems to be “china bad” and she constantly argues via logical fallacies. Not only this but, “Caledric” from the beginning of being a moderator for antiwork openly admits to working for US intelligence and expresses sympathy as well as agreement to their ideological framing and conclusions. “Teia” defends and supports “Caledric” as well as upholds the ideological anti-communism and red scare propaganda which led to this entire debacle.

This document and photos where leaked by u/chill-left before he was banned from the anti-work subreddit. He was a moderator dissenting within their internal communication discord. The supposed reason for his ban was calling for democratic elections to replace the head moderator of the antiwork subreddit. As well as disagreeing with “Teia Rabishu”.

Please share this with any interested individuals or parties, especially anyone associated with antiwork.

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    Caledric — Today at 7:05 PM Did you miss the part where I said I was fucking part of the US Intelligence network and had first hand knowledge of how they were using the platform, and their plans on how to manipulate people with it? You are exactly the type of apologist that they were seeking to create. Someone who will blindly defend them with whataboutisms and turn a very specific issue into a wide general issue.

    New Navy Seal copypasta deng-smile

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      Love how this dumbass can’t fathom “hostile to the US government doesn’t mean they’re hostile to me.” and “All governments try to influence people via the public sphere, I don’t give a shit the US does it, so why should I care China does?”

  • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netOP
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    @chill-left My argument is that it’s got nothing to do with the state actually. If your argument is to ban TikTok because the Chinese may have access to information or make the algorithms favor them or something you also need to ban every American social media site including youtube and reddit.

    Teia Rabishu — Today at 5:32 PM This is the standard tankie argument and it’s designed to ensure that nothing gets done, rather than operating in good faith.

    chill-left — Today at 5:32 PM Dude you say everything you don’t like is tankie.

    Fucking taaaaannnkkkiiieeessa!!!

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    @chill-left What’s the deal with the “china is a hostile foreign government” thing? Hostile to who exactly? Do we seriously think China is a threat to American people in any way? They’re not even a threat to the US ruling class let alone average citizens.

    Teia Rabishu — Today at 5:28 PM Yes, we do think they’re a threat to the average citizens. Believing that they have the people’s interests in mind is as foolish as believing the USSR had the people’s interests in mind.

    Nerds the USSR and some-controversy are a threat to the average amerikkkan treatler

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    ciaqin-shi-huangdi-fireball

    Honestly the reason I’m against allowing Tik-Tok and Rednote posts on the sub is because China is well known to be one of the absolute worst countries as far as worker treatment and worker’s rights go. Also banning tik tok and rednote does not hurt the chinese workers in the slighest. A) Chinese workers have no access to Tik Tok, it is the international version of Rednote owned and used by the Chinese government to push out propaganda to the world as well as gather information. Rednote does the same thing just internally. Both are completely state run and used as a tool to suppress Chinese workers from getting information outside of what the government wants them to know.

    everyone in rednote is a spy send by xi jinping guys xinternet

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      Both are completely state run and used as a tool to suppress Chinese workers from getting information outside of what the government wants them to know.

      Unlike most American social media that ban you for saying “free Palestine”

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      Honestly the reason I’m against allowing Tik-Tok and Rednote posts on the sub is because China is well known to be one of the absolute worst countries as far as worker treatment and worker’s rights go.

      yeah-buddy

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    i wonder if someone could basically take marxist theory and change the terminology around and have people actually get into it. I read this article that I think was from antiwork earlier and the author basically reinvented the idea of surplus value but called it something like “privatization of progress”. They’re reaching for it but man their brains are so fucking broken from years of anticommunist education and cold war and anti-china propaganda.

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      in addition to actively anticommunist brainworms, there is the more passive ignorance of marxism’s existence and what it claims to explain. it takes a person deliberately seeking out marxist theory to be exposed to it. there is no marxism floating around in the corporate media zeitgeist for people to just casually understand. the person you mentioned might be receptive

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    this dude basically says he’s been unemployed for years but somehow has “firsthand knowledge” that china is using tiktok to brainwash “sympathizers”

    in other words he has a porn addiction from not working and wants to blame china

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    Just so everyone here knows. If Teia Rabishu is removed as topmod the subreddit will fall back into leftist control. They are the sole barrier to completely fixing that subreddit.

    I won’t explain why I know this information or how it would be fixed but it would be quite drastic.

    Just in case anyone here has the skillset to make that happen.

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    Merari01 — Today at 6:02 PM My worry atm is that we will not live this down, same as we haven’t lived down “dogwalker” and will in perpetua be confronted with leftwing reddit seeing us as an enemy. Unless we publicly say “we made a small error and based on feedback we’re reversing this decision” (edited)

    I forgot about the dogwalker! This person is right though, they will be viewed as the enemy.

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    i got to the part where the mod started unironically quoting 1984 newspeak and then had to dip before i pulled a muscle from cringing

    1984

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    ZiggoCiP - he/him GMT-5 — Today at 3:46 PM That’s what I thought. [3:48 PM] They have an assortment of their own native (stolen from western ones of course) versions of said platforms if I’m not mistaken. Certainly would be easier to influence westerners if they got on said platforms. Like Cal pointed out, Tiktok as we see it isn’t what it is in China.

    The self admitted fed (Caledric) comments from the images

    9/27/2022 2:31 I was an Intel Analyst in the Marines

    9/27/2022 2:33am I’m undecided if I’m going back into the intel field after I get my degree. Just started back up in college as a 41 year old man… I’m older than 2 of my profs lol. Right now probably just going to do cyber security

    9/27/2022 2:39am Being a fucking idiot who turned down 3 job offers in NC to move back to Western PA where my family lived cause I thought for sure I could find a job in Pittsburgh doing intel shit…

    10/2/2022 11:49pm I was an Intel Specialist in the Marines and my Major is Security Risk & Analysis with an Intel Analysis option… so information security is kinda my gig

    Just Caledric's messages from the discord convo

    Caledric — Today at 6:57 PM Personally I say China bad because I have first hand knowledge and accounts of the things they have done or intended to do with various things like Tik Tok, Video Games, etc that are mass marketed to the public but completely banned in China itself. No I can’t expand on that because I am not stupid enough to share top secret information on the internet like those dumbfucks on the War Thunder forums. Suffice it to say if you knew about the shit you did they would be a much bigger threat than Elon.

    Caledric — Today at 7:01 PM No banning Tik tok is NOT Stupid. Tik Tok is a Chinese Psyop and nothing more. People are litterally addicted to it and will act out in violence due to their addiction and subtle programing. For fuck sakes there have been several stories of Teenagers committing violence just because of the THREAT of Tik Tok being banned. Biden said he had no intentions on enforcing the tik tok ban during the last days of his presidency and left it to Trump to enforce. As soon as Biden said he was not going to ban it China released their statement Via tik tok that they were shutting down because it was being banned. Then the day after suddenly the new President who created a crypto coin that China invested in to the tune of Billions, said he was going to save Tik Tok and then Tik tok puts out an announcement praising the purchased president.

    Caledric — Today at 7:05 PM Did you miss the part where I said I was fucking part of the US Intelligence network and had first hand knowledge of how they were using the platform, and their plans on how to manipulate people with it? You are exactly the type of apologist that they were seeking to create. Someone who will blindly defend them with whataboutisms and turn a very specific issue into a wide general issue.

    Caledric — Today at 7:08 PM I was during my time in the Marines. It was my MOS. [7:08 PM] My theater of specialization was Asia.

    Caledric — Today at 7:10 PM Leon is absolutely trying to replicate it, he’s just not smart enough to keep it subtle.

    Caledric — Today at 7:13 PM Lol you think it’s only Half?

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      My theater of specialization was Asia.

      orly, I never would’ve guessed. They’re actually taking this fed’s words at face value when he’s admitting that he’s got an agenda.

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        The odds of the fed being a former Radio Free Asia (HK) branch employee being forced out after the National Security bill is low, but not zero.

        Meaning Xi potentially personally ruined his life and saved several hotel bar staff from this drunk Yankee sex pest after 2019.

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      Caledric — Today at 7:01 PM No banning Tik tok is NOT Stupid. Tik Tok is a Chinese Psyop and nothing more. People are litterally addicted to it and will act out in violence due to their addiction and subtle programing. For fuck sakes there have been several stories of Teenagers committing violence just because of the THREAT of Tik Tok being banned. Biden said he had no intentions on enforcing the tik tok ban during the last days of his presidency and left it to Trump to enforce. As soon as Biden said he was not going to ban it China released their statement Via tik tok that they were shutting down because it was being banned. Then the day after suddenly the new President who created a crypto coin that China invested in to the tune of Billions, said he was going to save Tik Tok and then Tik tok puts out an announcement praising the purchased president.

      Wait, hold on, this guy is saying that Donald Trump is a SeeSeePee asset? If TikTok is a threat, and the President knows it’s a threat (why wouldn’t he know, wouldn’t all this intelligence work make it to his desk?), but then says he won’t enforce the ban, doesn’t that make Joe Biden a SeeSeePee plant too? So Old Joe passes the buck off to the Big Don, then the SeeSeePee says via the app Donald Trump will help save it, Then Trump puts out his crypto-scam, and the SeeSeePee happens to invest in it? How does he know the SeeSeePee invested in it? Is it because he “used to do intelligence work”, is he divulging privileged information into this discord channel? Then we’re supposed to believe that this bribe is what got him to “save” TikTok, even though there are reports now that Oracle is going to take over its operations? Wouldn’t this renege on the bribe, or is Oracle a SeeSeePee asset too?

      Lots of “Intelligence” happening here for sure.

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      Ignoring the “fed” part, why is this person a moderator there? Let alone head moderator? It’s obviously not for them