I suspect people that downvoted me above assume I am shilling some commercial browser and just don’t know what LW is

lol no

this thread has broken containment, and the median quality of the discussion has dropped to the point where some rando decided to start a subthread about how it’s not ok to celebrate hitler’s death and also two regulars had an extremely heated fight about who was the most not-mad about the word chat as a noun/pronoun/whatever in English of all fucking things so uhhhh that’s all folks

yeah, it’s weird how many of our visitors came here thinking TechTakes is a news sub

you’re right, I even had Ellis’ Wikipedia page open to re-confirm the allegations but my fingers wanted it to be Gaiman for whatever reason

haha nah time for you to fucking leave

no fucking thanks

oh absolutely, fuck graber and fuck, fuuuuuuck gaiman to hell. i don’t have an inch of trust for either of them.

tho I will say that even here on lemmy, even if it didn’t reach the awfulness of what i quoted, i’ve seen a bunch of clanker memes that were seriously iffy… I wouldn’t qualify those of “serious discussions”

I agree with all of this

but they still matter in the broader ai discourse

and disagree strongly with this. part of the mission of TechTakes and SneerClub is that they must remain a space where marginalized people are welcome, and we know from prior experience that the only way to guarantee that is to ensure that bigots and boosters (and sometimes they’re absolutely the same person — LLMs are fashtech after all) can’t ever control the discourse. I know through association that a lot of moderated AI-critical spaces, writers, and researchers follow a similar mission.

now, unmoderated and ineffectively moderated spaces are absolutely vulnerable to being tuned into fascist pipelines, and inventing slurs is one way they do it (see also “waffles” quickly being picked up as an anti-trans slur on bluesky, which has moderation that’s hostile to its marginalized userbase). if that’s something that’s happening in a popular community and there’s enough examples to show a pattern, then I’d love to have it as a post in TechTakes or as a blog link we can share around the AI-critical community as a warning.

you’ve never posted on our instance before as far as I can tell and I’m pretty sure I didn’t ask you to fucking gatekeep one of our threads and start a shitty little fight that I have to clean up

in every serious (ie not TikTok or any other right-wing or unmoderated hellhole) anti-AI community I know, bigotry gets you banned even if you’re trying to hide it behind nonsense words like a 12 year old

meanwhile the people who seem to have dreamt up the idea that AI critical spaces are full of masked bigotry appear to be mostly Neil Gaiman Warren Ellis (see replies), who has several credible sexual assault allegations leveled against him, and Jay Graber, bluesky’s CEO who deserves no introduction (search mastodon or take a look at bluesky right now if the name’s unfamiliar). I don’t trust either of those people’s judgement as to what harms marginalized people.

that’s a very good post — framing fascism as a supply chain issue helps push back against the rhetoric that software is somehow apolitical by nature, and it’s a good response to the excuses given for the RubyGems takeover

the first post is the ladybird guy personally welcoming one of the main hyprland transphobes to browser development because he landed a PR in ladybird

Brendan Eich is the Brave guy but he was also Mozilla’s CEO (and he’s the guy who invented JavaScript and made it fucking suck) when he got caught making a donation to an anti-LGBT organization and got asked to step down. since then he’s used Brave as a vehicle for cryptocurrencies and LLMs.

Proton’s CEO expressed support for the Republican Party in the US in a public post, and then most likely paid for some shithead to write a medium article unconvincingly arguing that he did nothing of the sort; both the original post and the shitty medium article have been discussed before in the Stubsack.

lunduke is a far-right crank with a long history who’s currently ranting on Twitter about how open source projects need to eliminate all the wokes; FUTO has done free marketing for ladybird in the past and is now doing the same for lunduke

god I hope not, I take sanity damage every time I deep dive these fuckers

yep, see this recent post for receipts (in the answer key) — they’re not even close to not being fash, though they’re still denying it in ways that don’t hold any water at all

I accidentally omitted the receipt for suckless so check that out in the answer key if you didn’t see it in there before

here’s a good summary of the situation including an analysis of the brand new dogwhistle a bunch of bluesky posters are throwing around in support of Jay and Singal and layers of other nasty shit

here’s Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky, getting called out by lowtax’s ex-wife:

here’s Jay posting about mangosteen (mangosteen juice was a weird MLM lowtax tried to market on the Something Awful forums as he started to spiral)

Anyone want to hazard a guess at a timeline?

since Jay posted AI generated art about dec/acc and put the term in her profile, her little “ironic” nod to e/acc and to AI, my guess is this is coming very soon

thank you! I adapted the post I mentioned and the surrounding thread into a TechTakes post

jeff’s follow-up after the backlash clarifies: you wouldn’t know her because he donated right under the limit to incur a taxable event and didn’t establish a trust like a normal millionaire and also the LLM printout only came pointlessly after months of research and financially supporting the unhoused friend and also you’re no longer allowed to ask publicly about the person he brought up in public, take it to email

so I got angry

I really hope atwood’s unhoused friend got the actual infrastructural support you mentioned (a temporary mailing address and an introduction letter emailed to an employer is only slightly more effort than generating slop, jeff, please) but from direct experience with philanthropists like him, I’m fairly sure Jeff now considers the matter solved forever

@mawhrin@awful.systems summarized it nicely but if you want some fresh abyss to stare into, here’s some links to fedi posts with details:

• https://fedi.slightly.tech/@joepie91/statuses/01K6AHA0BNBBX616JGDJHYET36
• https://fedi.slightly.tech/@joepie91/statuses/01K6E3G2Z19M82BWRB3SPADHP9
• https://mstdn.games/@KFears/115286316219357517

this is a great first post, and it touches on a lot of things I’ve struggled with as well.

there’s a concerted effort on several fronts to grant fascist interests an unassailable position within community-oriented software projects; that effort is usually backed by powerful corporate interests, as you’ve already seen with DHH and the takeover of RubyGems. simultaneously with that, and nearer to my own heart, the long-running project to make NixOS and nixpkgs unworkable for anyone but corporate and military interests has gone fully mask-off and started coordinating and talking openly about their plans to make Nix fully a fascist project. I have a longer piece I’ll be posting tonight about this situation which I can link if there’s interest, but in short: this is a coordinated attack, and it uses methods that have been tried and have succeeded many times. programming communities are being turned into fascist pipelines for many of the same reasons the fascists targeted punk and furry communities, but thanks to being founded on horseshit cyberlibertarian principles and unexamined conservatism masquerading as engineering, our open source and educational communities are uniquely primed for takeover.

for the fascists, of course, any sufficiently isolated community will do. the health of the community and its projects don’t matter; the fascists are fine with communities that cannibalize their own and technology that barely works or doesn’t work at all. the quality of nixpkgs has dropped sharply since the fascists kicked out the skilled marginalized people keeping the project alive, and every project started by fascists I can think of has been broken and worthless. the fascists don’t care: they’re here to weaponize a community in both the metaphorical and the very literal senses, and whether or not anything of value is left once they’re done is of no concern to them. the isolation works in their favor: it lets them employ all their usual tricks to turn a community on itself. that those tricks were eventually beaten by large parts of the punk and furry communities means there’s hope in fighting off these assholes – but most likely the changes that need to occur will happen in new communities, founded under better principles.

from your post, it seems you’ve immunized yourself against the game development to fascist pipeline, which is very lucky. you now know what dogwhistles and tricks to expect from most of the fascists you’ll run into in programming communities. I saw that Corbin recommended picking up functional programming or a non-Algol-derived language in a sibling comment and from an educational perspective I can recommend that, but unfortunately a lot of functional programming communities tend to be either utterly pro-AI (because they think they’re going to inherit Lisp’s prestige) or are being pushed towards fascism (look for weirdos who aren’t mathematicians obsessing over how pure lambda calculus is and you’ll see the red flags) – if you want a fresh abyss to stare into, search our instance for posts about Urbit if you want to see our efforts at documenting one of the earliest attempts at entryism into functional programming. of course almost any functional language (other than Urbit) will be more rewarding to learn than whichever reactionary Go-but-memory-unsafe language these guys wanted you to learn as an attempt to isolate you further.

while I have no general solutions to what’s happening right now, there’s a few actions I’m taking that I hope will lead to better things:

• from now on, my software will all be very queer, very political, and utterly poisoned against corporate exploitation.
• while it’s not always practical to switch off of these fuckheads’ software immediately (our instance still runs on NixOS, great lock-in they’ve got going), remember how often we’ve been told that software communities run on advocacy. these fuckheads don’t deserve your advocacy or your labor. as far as is practical, give them the opposite. kill the evangelist in your head.
• healthier communities exist, and they’re worth our time. they’re not large, but you’ll meet some of the most gifted people imaginable there – and all of them most likely have an experience or two similar to yours.

for that last bullet point, I can recommend the better parts of Mastodon – avoid the tech instances like the plague and focus in on the queer ones with techy users. our instance also has an attempt at a homegrown tech community organized around healthier principles called FreeAssembly, which never quite got off the ground because the fascist takeover of the Nix project happened right after it launched, and then ahaha everything else happened after that, and I never got the chance to kick off that community properly. I still recommend Mastodon because it’s established, but if you’d like the same experience as here but in a community more oriented towards posting about personal projects or programming in general, FreeAssembly might be worth a try. I’m finally finishing some of the software I meant to post about way back when we started FreeAssembly, and I’ll be writing those up for that community fairly soon.