Oh, hot shit! I know about Movim, it’s just not my main client (notifications are finnicky, and offline messages don’t seem to work right for me?), but them adding discord-style rooms is great!

Oh, neat! Lemme check it ou-

Every time I die I drink a cup of tequila, and every 10 minutes I drink another

Well that seems irresponsible.

If you need cloud storage, Disroot.org has 2gb free, but… For this I think something like syncthing would work well, if you even need it in multiple places.

The download page for syncthing: https://syncthing.net/downloads/

Everyone needs at least one friend who’s willing to break their own brain about tech, so they can host all the neat shit! Plus if everyone chips in it’s pretty cheap

For all the alternatives out there truth is, none are really anywhere near perfect. Matrix and most of its clients while encrypted don’t offer true jump in /jump out game chat.

After complaining about it heavily for a few days, I did find one client that has that same feel, commet.chat. I haven’t done a whole lot of testing yet, but from what I’ve seen/experienced, it’s close, if not there

Personally I still prefer XMPP+Cheogram. It’s more Signal than Discord, but it’s a lightweight chat server with voice call abilities, and that’s what I needed it for

Ahh, I somehow missed that, my bad. I’d never even heard of that one holy shit

Right, it can generate child porn, tell kids to kill themselves, and tell you to put gasoline in your pasta sauce while while also quadrupling or more the price of hardware! Much better!

I’m not even sure where you’re getting the idea that you can’t buy drugs with crypto, though, because you absolutely can???

I mean. Useful how? At least you can but drugs with crypto. Can’t buy drugs with AI.

Hah… Haha… Hah… Ha… sigh

It absolutely seems like the best alternative, yeah. I’ll need to get some back end stuff handled to test calling (or just make an account on a server with it), and see how it works

They’re testing that right now. It’s going well.

I know, I mentioned that.

A server system that is separated from DMs/group chats, at least visually Spaces.

On mobile on the element client, absolutely not. The spaces group chats show up in your DMs, and there is not a way to turn that off. Yes I know about other clients existing, there’s one where you can turn that off, but it’s not even mentioned on the main Matrix website.

I haven’t actually used Stoat, but they don’t have group voice calls listed on their website, so I assumed they weren’t there. My mistake on that part, but also they should probably list that on their website. That would probably put Stoat as the most viable alternative, especially if they add federation (especially over XMPP, which it seemed from their website was the most likely they’d go with?)

Nowhere in my comment did I state that Matrix didn’t support voice calls. What was said was this:

Matrix itself supports calling (though I think that’s still experimental), but Cinny doesn’t.

Cinny doesn’t. Their UI does not have a call button that I can locate, unless they’re hiding it because I’m the only user in the room.

Fundamentally Stoat is probably the one that’s there as a Discord replacement, since it does have calls, and between two different apps you can get a fully functiobal Discord alternative out of Matrix. But you have to use two apps to get it. If Stoat adds XMPP federation I will 100% switch in a heartbeat tho, I’ve been saying we could have a discord-like XMPP client since I started using XMPP.

Back on topic, though, the things I want out of a true discord replacement are this:

• Group voice calls
• A server system that is separated from DMs/group chats, at least visually
• Roles within those servers to manage people’s access

That’s all. That’s all Discord has over literally every other chat app. If something is missing those 3 features, it’s not a Discord alternative. It’s a chat app, which is fine! But when people say shit like “Signal is a good Discord alternative” it makes me question how they’re defining every word in that sentence, because it is 100% on the level of saying Guild War 2 is a good Second Life alternative. And my experience with most of the big “Discord alternatives” is that they aren’t. The default Matrix+Element experience is not like Discord. I had to start a whole ass Lemmy thread to be pointed to Cinny, which has 2 of those features! Missing the third. Element has two of those features! Missing the third on mobile. I want a cheeseburger and what’s happening is one place will sell me a grilled cheese, and the other is selling me a burger with a slice of cheese on top.

That’s part of why I still gave phone numbers and emails, despite both not being secure in any capacity; most people do have them, even if they’re not their preferred methods of communication.

I did lose a couple of people, but they were the ones I caught up with like… Once a year, anyway. Not that I didn’t value them as friends, but there comes a point where it’s like… I’m not missing a whole lot without you here, y’know. And it’s not like I had that many friends, either, I only have a handful of people I talk to regularly. Maybe 15-20 a month if we’re including friends of people I know who I see in passing?

Yeah, they all really do feel like “Oh you want to stop playing World of Warcraft, but still want an online game to play? Try Second Life!” and I think that’s partly because there isn’t an app out there that feels like Discord besides Discord. Cinny (Matrix), IRC, and Stoat come close, but none support voice calls at this point, at least that I can find. Matrix itself supports calling (though I think that’s still experimental), but Cinny doesn’t. If it ever ends up supporting voice calls, that will likely end up being the Discord alternative In wouldn’t feel bad recommending.

Until then, though, we don’t really have a true Discord alternative. Just various chat apps that don’t quite hit the mark.

I just at some point got tired of it and kinda just told everyone “I have an XMPP account, a signal account, a phone number, and an email address. You can use any of those to get in contact with me.” and they all picked one. Nobody picked email though xD

Actually I did just ask the same thing, and the TL;DR is that most clients do handle it as signal with group chat folders. Cinny does look like Discord, but currently lacks voice calling. It’s currently web only with PWA support for mobile, though.

I haven’t managed to get Immich running on my server, so it’s more comparing the current Nextcloud memories app to the google photos app from about… A little over a year ago? I’m not sure about the web interface for memories, though, as I don’t really use it there

I’ve heard… Questionable things about the Kagi CEO that make me hesitant to give them money. I just don’t really use search engines for much anymore.

Not direct, but with Memories installed it’s near identical, and if you already have NC… May as well

We don’t currently have another way of enforcing this sort of thing, though, aside making software paid by default. How else will you convince a company that isn’t even concerned with its long-term growth in favor of quarterly earnings reports to pay money for free software? Especially when you consider that (at least in the US) that sort of thing could get them sued by their shareholders.

Frequently threats of legal action, backed by the ability to follow through on them, are enough to get most companies to fold, and pay. I don’t know that telemetry would be required in most cases, just because employees do talk, and usually publicly. I’m not sure if Unreal Engine does, but I can say with some certainty that WinRar didn’t, and most of their money was made through commercial licenses on nagware