you’re not late to the party you’re just never invited in the first place.

class is a bitch, man. nepo babies walk the earth

everyone treats these anecdotes like funny little isolated instances but they really paint a constellation of just how oppressed we all are in many tiny ways. people just accept the massively biased power balance as normal.

idk what’s wrong with us man. all this time and we’re still here bopping each other on the head.

even then the degree to which charles babbage was responsible for his machines is somewhat contested.

even then charles babbage was inventing in an environment that was already highly geared to explore logic as a discipline with many people actively pursuing the same or similar objects of fascination. there are experiments in computation and entire computers far preceding babbage, going so far back as the earliest annals of recorded history.

a lot of people also don’t understand that babbage’s initial inventions weren’t even autonomous or mechanical/electrical. they weren’t computers in the colloquial, modern sense. at first they were basically just arrays of literal physical drawers, that the user had to physically move objects between, that could represent something akin to modern memory. this was rudimentary even at the time - the classical greeks famously were astute mechanist and the best of the wondermakers could make much more than just cranes: think autonomous robots, analog computational orreries, literal fucking lasers powered by the sun. by babbage’s time europeans were intimately familiar with engineering and computational principles far beyond what the average contemporary person realizes. the actual innovation is the conceptual handling of it. without that, babbage just made a fancy shelf.

either way babbage isn’t even remembered very fondly by the field. lovelace was far more influential and had far more intuition and genius to her work.

as much as i hate thiel the ycombinator was an ingenious idea and use of capital. nothing in human history has had bigger returns on investment.

we need a morally aligned version of the ycombinator. we need zuckerbergs who won’t abscond open source early on but still have big money backing.

we need to build a better world and we need to use the right tools for the job.

oh god i agree with cowbee wholeheartedly in a thread of discourse…

oh god oh fuck oh shit i can feel it happening… is it warm in here?

Я чувствую, как марксизм-ленинизм просачивается в мой мозг!!! _make it stop….

Теперь я чувствую себя белым и пушистым… как коммунистический медведь.

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anyway joking aside appreciate lemmy collectively telling neolibs to shut the fuck up bc while plenty of things .ml says piss me off, they don’t piss me off nearly as much as seeing americans who haven’t ripped the bandaid off yet.

that’s neat and all but it doesn’t respond to or subvert technocrit and his point in any real way.

he’s not making an argument about the origin of our current system, he’s claiming that the status quo is upheld equally by both democrats and republicans who work together to prevent change or radical politics from ever emerging in the american political psyche.

Funny how the same prefigurative traditionalism and claims about victimhood/attacks on traditional values can be seen in far right leaders across the globe, but nobody ever seems to point out the similarities.

i think everyone is pointing out these similarities. somewhat ironically, i think someone like technocrit is pointing out more important similarities than someone like you who is drawing an imaginary line in the sand. regardless, the whole world is talking about the rising tide of fascism and i think it says more about you than the world or global discourse that you’d posit nobody is talking about it, bc people certainly are. it’s all we’ve talked about for 5-10 years - across the entire west and more.

i think what you’re actually noticing or upset about is that nobody seems to do anything about it…

i would recommend against manjaro or endeavorOS and such similar arch based distributions. they’re neat and more stable but have similar issues sometimes, for example the manjaro maintainers are generally known as pretty egregiously irresponsible.

arch is kind of a clusterfuck. the user experience is really poor for a modern linux distribution and the community has an insular attitude of calling everything a skill issue.

i used and maintained a bunch of arch systems for a long time. if you do this you inevitably end up using AUR packages, as some utilities a normal person would use for home and server shit are only available through AUR. updating gets fucky and it’s way more annoying bc you end up needing to constantly read long ass changelogs bc some dude changed the formatting in one UI element and pushed to main at 3AM and it won’t just updated with -Syu or similar args.

i was talking about this earlier on lemmy as an example of terrible UX and all the arch fanboys came to downvote me and write paragraphs in droves talking about how it’s actually just the user’s fault for using the AUR and that i don’t know how pacman works. one guy claimed it’s like Debian PPAs. uh no, the AUR is far less optional lmfao. and i do know how yay and pacman work, i had no trouble, i was just pointing out it was annoying to deal with constantly when using a system like a normal person.

when an OS has no user in mind when designing it… it’s kind of a shit OS and apparently forms a shit culture around it too, in my experiences the past few years on the internet.

you’ll sway more hearts and minds if you actually engage your audience, not spoken maliciously.

being catty like this is anti-intellectual and serves to degrade spaces, even if it can be cathartic at times.

like, just practically speaking i saw a guy earlier on lemmy do the exact same thing and just drop a link to wikipedia in response to discourse and then sit there and look at the other person like smug wojack.

i even agreed with that guy’s position and i watched him do it, cheering on from the sidelines like it was some wrestling match. i upvoted him. but then later i went back and undid my vote because i realized that his detractors had a legitimate criticism - that this behavior is thought-terminating and patently shit on a forum intended for discourse and discussion.

think about it. the people who likely need to read, analyze, and consider that article are going to take the way you just shared it as smug and immediately ignore any point you were possibly trying to make, because they aren’t even going to engage any further than their initial flippant reaction. and that’s not their fault, it’s yours for setting up this subpar rhetorical framing.

on the other hand, people who already agree with you will sit on the sidelines and hoot and cheer and howl and bark because they came to the arena to see blood - just like me earlier in this comment. it’s a human response. without an actual audience, though, it becomes clear the intention of your comment isn’t to spread information or praxis… no, this comment serves as a vector for circlejerking much more than it is a genuine attempt at activism. and i think even if you disagree, deep down you have to know that on some level.

sorry, i don’t mean to single you out but this style of exchange has become all too common in public discourse nowadays and i hate it because it’s like a fucking sports match. just shout louder, be more smug, be more persistent… and then you “win” the argument, whatever that means… this isn’t what debate, dialectic, and discourse are about!

it’s not a lie necessarily but i’d agree that it’s disingenuous to point towards these moments in history and to then use that as a tenuous basis for implying that the right-wing extremism in the middle east just popped up one day out of a vacuum only because evil american goblins invaded the land. i am well aware of what the OP comment is referring to, generally, but the description of these societies as “left-leaning” doesn’t really land for me. like i said, it’s not necessarily wrong but it’s somewhat disingenuous and binary to say that.

surprise, every society-at-scale, ever, has been metrically shit and had a significant contingent of traditionalist and bigots that form the bedrock of the historical “go-fuck-yourself-with-a-stick-of-razorblades” party.

you (rhetorical you, not you) can recommend not using the AUR officially all you want. it doesn’t mean anything if a large number of tasks the average user is going to do require AUR packages. i’m kind of drunk rn but i’ll go find specific pages of the wiki that demonstrate what i’m talking about, i stg this isn’t nothing. the core system itself can entirely be managed with pacman, yes, but the average user is going to be doing a lot more than just that. there is a certain discord in the messaging of arch as a whole.

this is exactly my point. arch can either be a nuts and bolts distro or it can be made for normies. it can’t be both.

i agree with this but this isn’t the reality of the arch ecosystem. AUR is explicitly promoted on the wiki for a large amount of tasks the average user is going to do. it feels skeevy to acknowledge the problems with the AUR and then abscond arch’s responsibility for them, because the AUR is not like PPAs or anything. it is significantly more integrated into the ecosystem.

saying it can happen in the AUR feels disingenuous to me when you consider how integrated the AUR is to the arch ecosystem. this is a genuine complaint from a user perspective and is an issue with the design philosophy imo. it is a special case but it’s so frequent as to be annoying, is my point.

not sure why everyone is replying like i’m unaware and totally ignoring the actual grievance i have. im very well aware of pacman and yay’s intended behaviors, i just think they’re shit in some cases. idk if people who say this have never tried to daily drive arch before or something but the AUR is absolutely not optional unless you want to constantly hand roll your own shit. see my edit to the original comment.

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i agree ubuntu is corpo drivel now but flatpaks are actually quite useful for some applications.

the sandboxing is nice to not have to setup manually for every little thing, and i say that as someone who avoids flatpaks generally.

sometimes you just wanna get things up and running, not everything needs to be a unix circlejerk.

sometimes you’re working with particular releases or builds that don’t, but like i said i might be the idiot lol.

i like the concept of arch. i don’t like the way i need to come up with a new solution for how im managing my packages virtually every few days that often requires novel information. shit, half the time you boot up an arch system if you have sufficient # of packages there is 9/10 times a conflict when trying to just update things naively. like i said it’s cool on paper and im sure once you use it as a daily driver for awhile it just becomes routine but it’s more the principle of the user experience and its design philosophy that i think might be poor.

arch is for techies in the middle of the bell curve imo… people on the left and the right, when it comes to something as simple as managing all my packages and versions, want something that just works^TM - unless i specifically want to fuck with the minutiae.

is garuda like endeavorOS or manjaro where it’s technically still an arch-based rolling release distro but the OS maintainers hold packages from upstream mainline arch?

i don’t hate that model, it’s more fun to use as an end user for sure, but i feel like it kind of defeats the point of arch’s entire ethos lmao.

one of my least favorite things about arch and other rolling distros is that yay/pacman will try and recompile shit like electron/chromium from source every few days unless you give it very specific instructions not to - which is annoying as shit bc compiling the entirety of chrome from source takes hours even with decent hardware.

granted, i fucking hate google products too but if you’re doing any web dev it’s necessary sometimes.

idk im definitely willing to admit i might be the idiot here. managing your packages with pacman might just be routine to some people. to me arch is the epitome of classic bad UX in an open source project. it’s like they got too focused on being cmatrix-style terminal nerds and forgot to make their software efficiently useable outside of 5 very specific people’s workflows. it’s not even the terminal usage that is bad about arch. plenty of things are focused on that and… don’t do it shittily? idk…

edit: yes to all the arch fanboy’s points in response to me. i used to be super into arch and am aware of the fact that this isn’t explicit behavior but to act like it doesn’t happen in a typical arch user experience is disingenuous. i also disagree with the take that arch doesn’t endorse this outright with its design philosophy, bc it does. the comparison of the AUR to other, similar things like PPAs doesn’t land for me bc PPAs aren’t integrated into the ecosystem nearly as much as AUR is with arch. you can’t tell people to just grab the binaries or not use AUR whenever it’s convenient to blame the user, when arch explicitly endorses a philosophy amicable to self-compilation and also heavily uses the AUR even in their own arch-wiki tutorials for fairly basic use cases. arch wants to have its cake and eat it too and be a great DIY build it yourself toolkit while also catering to daily driver use and more generalist users. don’t get me wrong, it’s the best attempt at such a thing i’ve seen - but at a certain point you have to ask if the premise makes sense anymore. in the case of arch, it doesn’t and it causes several facets of the ecosystem to flounder from a user perspective. the arch community’s habit of shouting “skill issue” at people when they point out legitimate issues with the design philosophy bugs the fuck out of me. this whole OS is a camel.

No. This line of thought concedes something to the American neofascist ideologues that I refuse to take seriously as an idea because when you see it plainly stated, not under milquetoast rhetorical wraps… the patent absurdity of the thought gleans true.

What is this idea, this concession? It’s the idea that your only true natural right is what they call the “right of feet” or some other asinine phrase. Technofascists believe you have no natural right other than the right to choose which shitty government you live in.

This isn’t true. Your espousing of the same idea is, similarly, not true. To anyone reading the original doomer comment - don’t let it get you down. You can change your home for the better and just because something doesn’t exist in the real world currently doesn’t mean it is “politically impossible”… think about how many ancient forms of government aren’t found in the world today. Do those constitute something “not politically possible” or are we starting to see the problem here?

People build a better world everyday. If you concede your ability to affect change you sacrifice the most divine nature of man.

you find the wildest interests and hobbies on the internet. had never even heard of this and i consider myself pretty generally knowledgeable.

fuck man. thanks for sharing, very cool! if it isn’t rude to ask, what got you into this in particular? do you do this for work?

yeah that’s definitely the boldest claim made in the OP comment. was surprised to see it hang out unchallenged for so long.

there’s been a growing trend to assign ontological primacy to information over mass/energy/space/etc. it’s a hot point for debate in computer science and physics research because, as my Kantian diction was kind of intended to imply: we can’t really empirically verify any ontological theories we have so we end up arguing over things that seem semantic from the outside in.

that means that, at least for now, “information is the noumena” is a matter of opinion. i just have strong, albeit potentially misplaced feelings - that mass, energy, and information are all different expressions of the same substrate that builds reality itself and that there is an undiscovered mechanic governing all three in a self-consistent manner.