@farbel @HiddenLayer555 Not much more, PT already moves more people than private vehicles around NYC: https://a816-dohbesp.nyc.gov/IndicatorPublic/data-explorer/walking-driving-and-cycling/?id=2415#display=summary

So to get from where it is to a “no private vehicles” utopia thre isn’t that much more to do. Probably as tramways on roads that will now be closed to cars. So not that expensive. But a couple more subways for some links that need more volume would probably be needed.

@stray @turtlesareneat erecting fences to prevent unsafe crossings is usually done way before adequate crossing options are given.

@Endymion_Mallorn @culprit @racketlauncher831 Where everything I could think of doing in Tokyo was <300m from a train station. Just tap a card to get into the station and go where you want to be. Such a fantastic city to visit, I wish I had made an opportunity to live there at some point.

Even the much smaller city of Kyoto, which has just a small metro + buses, was a pleasure to travel around. Plentiful buses and so many things are within walking distance.

@Endymion_Mallorn @culprit @racketlauncher831 Despite the fear of dogpiling, the two cities I’ve visited that contrast the most sharply are Houston and Tokyo. When we visited Houston for my BIL’s wedding we stayed in a hotel 500m from the venue where the wedding was being held. Walking those 500m was horrific and clearly everyone expected us to drive 2 miles to park 300m from the venue. Even going between two stores in the same complex was expected to be by car.

@TerranFenrir @mondoman712 the strength requirements for rails are much lower on the moon. I would also assume movement isn’t going to be driven by the wheels (low gravity gives low friction), so that isn’t a driving concern either (pun fully intended)

@perestroika @poVoq it looks like you can make that longer for bike fit, but yes, they have suspension in there which will impact it a little bit. But that shouldn’t be a big deal.

@Fingolfinz @anindefinitearticle and only replaces the tubes, it still needs to be retread at some interval. So ‘lasts the life of the bike’ is a bit misleading…?

(Just going by the linked article)

@Sidhean @GertrudGoethe The solutions are very generic too :)

@kameecoding enjoying and it being taxing aren’t really relayed. Driving takes effort that sitting on a bus doesn’t

@WaterFoul you don’t get all the benefit till all the pieces are there.

@Dalaryous @Global_Liberty tiny cars only reduce parking space, they take up essentially the same amount of road at speed.

@WaterFoul @TipsyMcGee I think you over estimate how much needs to be rebuilt. Just replacing shopping strips with low rise homes with ground floor retail and allowing for housing in fill around them gets you there. Building an excellent bus interchange in the giant carpark is easy too.

@kameecoding @pineapple yes, spending all your day driving is exhausting. With good PT that day of errands is quite enjoyable.

@WoodScientist @buzz86us I wouldn’t advocate doing it in that order, but you are right.

@Lv_InSaNe_vL @Malfeasant I’m happy to limit the ‘no personal cars’ to areas that are 1/4 acre blocks and below. (Remembering that a 1/4 acre block gets back a substantial amount of useful land when you delete the driveway, so blocks all become ‘bigger’ in such a system)

Places that are substantially less dense than that do benefit from cars. But that isn’t that large a % of people, while it is a very large % of the land mass.

@faythofdragons @pineapple shitty PT is not the goal. Yes there are PT systems that are shit, that doesn’t mean good PT is worse than good individual car ownership (something I’ve never heard of), it just means shitty PT need to be less shitty.

@pseudo @jagged_circle It had a pretty good viewership in Australia too. I think it did pretty well in a lot of countries.

@Grass @muelltonne It really makes that much of a difference?

@Ghost33313 @Global_Liberty And that applies to 0 Cybertruck owners.

@9point6 @scrubbles the $500 a month for a second hand lease?

Converting that to Aussie, we’ll call it $800 a month. My wife visits the office twice a week, by Uber at 8pm her one way commute would be $42. That is safely an under estimate as peak traffic makes that much worse.

2 x 2 x 4 = 16 trips a month is $672 a month on taxi’s for that commute. A commute that is infrequent, and less than half the distance to the city from our suburb.

Yes that is before other car costs, but other trips too