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  • This article is so bad I almost threw up, thanks a lot op

    None of this is news

    Maos turn to Nixon and the subsequent shitty foreign policy of China until 1979 (China hasn’t been to war since 1979) can basically be described as funding and arming whoever was anti-soviet

    There’s a reason Maoist groups were heavily infiltrated and funded by the CIA throughout the 70s and 80s (due to their Anti Soviet stance)

    Chinas foreign policy since Maos turn to Nixon is essentially “we’ll wait, but we must avoid war at all costs”.

    So Chinas foreign policy has been one of not putting their head above the parapet.

    When US imperialists wanted to destroy Yugoslavia China was helping the Yugoslavs and got their embassy bombed for that privilege. They then meekly nodded to everything US imperialism wanted even abstaining as the imperialist bastards destroyed Libya in 2011

    None of this is news. Mao (erroneously in my opinion) came to the conclusion they would have to hug tightly to the USA until they had far surpassed the USA and do it in such a way that the imperialists could not invade China like they wanted to in 1950 in the Korean war (the plan then was to strike up through Korea, into China then onto Soviet Union but they got bogged down in Korea).

    The Chinese have then stepped back into essentially full capitalist relations to avoid war with USA and they have only avoided war with USA because of proletarian heros like Gordon Chang running a psyop on USA by telling them China will collapse every year since 1999 (and the US press believing it). They’ve done this strategically and pragmatically to bind the world economy to China, to avoid a capitalist coalition against it whilst also obtaining as much technology as possible to overtake them. Regardless of their previous awful foreign policy we are where we are and China is moving rapidly into US imperialisms cross hairs. They are becoming Anti-Imperialist by A) force of necessity now US has cross hairs on them and B) by undercutting Western imperialism with the Belt and Road initiative and loads to 3rd world at much better rates than IMF or World Bank as well as their debt forgiveness.

    There is something so rat like when opportunists and distorters of Marxism (and the analysis on Imperialism) try to wrap their words in Marxist language due to the theoretical victory of Marxism

    China’s complicity in these horrors teaches us that anti-capitalism is a class war, not a war between states, and that any attempt to confront imperialism—the great spawn of capitalism—by those same means is doomed to fail.

    In the era of Class Society humans organise into States and class war inevitably becomes a war between States. Does this writer think some Venezuelan can survive and live without being murdered by (US funded) far right militia squads without the utilisation of the State to protect them? Does the writer think the Koreans in DPRK can disband their state and “focus on class war” to “confront imperialism” without organising themselves into a highly organised and disciplined State? When USA practices invading DPRK every year?

    Any form of anti-imperialist politics that focuses on nations invariably arrives at pitting one of the faces of capitalism against another, which can only ever reproduce the very system it claims to fight. Only through a confrontation with the entire capitalist world system, no matter the color of its flag, can the nightmare of empire end.

    Absolute trash and how does one fight the “entire capitalist system” without first settling accounts with your local bourgeoisie ie. your State

    The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie. (Marx, Communist Manifesto)

    If humans outside the imperial core wish to survive and not have their populations turned over into a nightmare like The Congo or any number of African States that are completely subservient to international capital and thus have to have their children mining coltan under the threat of child soldiers they must organise into States and States therefore become the principle battleground of imperialism.

    If someone here hadn’t already pointed out that Lausan came out the fascist/far right Hong Kong protests I would’ve told you Lausan is CIA (which they are)

    From Lausan.hk About Page

    傘 (“san”) is the character for umbrella, referencing our ongoing critical engagement with Hong Kong’s social movements. 流傘 is also a homophone of 流散 (decentralized/diaspora), referencing our dispersal across the world. Lausan is a collective of writers, translators, artists, and organizers. We have no founders, only members. We are 100% independent and volunteer-run.

    Tip for anyone here: any slipper revolution , any velvet revolution, orange revolution , sunflower revolution and indeed any umbrella revolution is not a revolution. It’s the CIA

    Anytime some “pro democracy” group tries to popularise an inanimate object as a symbol of ‘revolution’.

    It’s CIA.

    Lausan is CIA

    https://amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091438/us-has-been-exposed-funding-last-years-hong-kong-protests






  • Rojava literally occupied Syrian wheat fields with the US to starve Syrian cities

    The Kurds and their US ally hold the wheat as a trump card in ongoing negotiations.

    “Assad needs access to cereal crops in northeast Syria to prevent a bread crisis in the areas of western Syria that he controls,” Syria analyst Nicholas Heras said. “Wheat is a weapon of great power in this next phase of the Syrian conflict,” said Heras, and he added that the Kurds and their US ally “have a significant stockpile of this wheat weapon. It can be used to apply pressure on the (Syrian government), and on Russia, to force concessions in the UN-led diplomatic process.”

    https://theduran.com/the-us-is-using-wheat-as-a-weapon-of-war-in-syria/

    Whilst also ethnic cleansing non Kurds

    The non-Kurdish population is a mix of Syrian Arabs, Syrian Christians, Syrian Armenians and many of them have suffered under the Kurdish administration, which saw non-Kurds being ethnically cleansed, as they lost homes, shops, and farms at the hands of the SDF.(ibid)

    They then got ditched by the US immediately and fed into Turkeys meat grinder. As if no one has ever read even a tiny bit of history of what US does to its “allies” when it is balkanising and using divide and rule tactics to destroy countries it has geopolitical strategic interest in. So not only was allying with the Great Satan a fucking terrible idea it was counter-productive for them

    Unsurprisingly I’m not a fan. I remember talking to David Graeber about this on twitter and it was the most pathetic display of mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen. Like if you believe the Kurds had to ally with the Great Satan to create their Kurdish state that’s good and cool. But its then a bit rich if you shit on Actually Existing Socialist countries who had to build their nations under the conditions of opposition to US imperialism rather than as an ally to it.






  • The US going down like UK is not going to happen

    Both USA and Soviet Union played a big role in the death of British empire.

    Increasingly Britain played a subordinate role until it had essentially handed off its neocolonial ties to the US and become the lapdog of the US

    By 1960 the US was a debtor nation. After the world financial system moved off the gold standard the US insisted that the world trade in petro dollarsand made it plain to Iran and Saudia Arabia that it meant war if they dared trade in anything else.

    The consequence is a bankrupt nation demanding that other countries cycle their capital into USD.

    “Never before has a bankrupt nation dared insist that its bankruptcy become the foundation of world economic policy; that, because of its bankruptcy, all the nations what their economies transferring its bankruptcy to themselves, stultifying their industries, and paying tribute to the beggar.”

    “Effectively speaking, the United States has compelled the older nations of the West to pay for the overseas costs of the US war in Asia. Whatever they may desire, the central banks of Europe had no choice but to continue to except the paper dollar equivalents annually created as the domestic and overseas deficit of the United States increase. Otherwise, the whole of shaky structure of the world monetary system will collapse into rubble. America has succeeded in forcing other nations to pay for its wars on a systematic basis, something never before accomplished by any nation in history .”

    https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf

    In Michael Hudsons Super Imperialism Michael goes through this entire process for brevity it means the US can essentially print as much money as it likes whilst having its imperialist wars paid for by Europe like mafioso racket who in turn had to issue austerity against their own people

    What does this mean for US empire? Its debt is at sky rocket levels and the only reason the world allows it is because… points to the US military budget

    Meanwhile China is playing a deeply progressive role in financing infrastructure and loans across africa and ME and bringing both stability, wealth and prosperity and an alternative to neoliberal world bank and imf which play the role of indebting nations then forcing their local resources to the US

    China holdsthe most US debt butboth Russia and China are getting rid of their dollars and with the rise of China they are cutting into US imperialisms pie

    To put it bluntly imagine a house of cards built off US dollars. Each dollar pulled out causes inflation which means US military is more expensive to finance which is the gun pointed at the worlds head to prop up this ridiculous process. At the end of this process US will have no gun

    Each one pulled out by China will not be a slow process… It will be a tipping point then the entire house falls down into hyperinflation with a currency thats worth nothing

    “China will gradually decrease its holdings of US debt to about $800billion under normal circumstances. But of course, China might sell all of its US bonds in an extreme case, like a military conflict,” Xi Junyang, a professor at the Shanghai University of Finance and Economics told the Global Times on Thursday”

    (Note it is not just a “professor” saying this. GlobalTimes is the CPCs main outlet and this was on the front page)

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1199833.shtml

    The US (i believe) will go to war to maintain its status quo and it can either go to war with a small % chance of maintaining status quo or it can die a death of a thousand cuts and collapse in a cascade anyway. If i were chapos i would be organising yesterday because imperialism turned inward is fascism

    But China’s renewed determination to dump both dollar denominated bonds and dollars is a developing crisis for America and the Fed’s monetary policy. We can expect further threats to materialise from the Americans to China’s ownership of US Treasuries and agency bonds. It is a situation that could threaten to escalate rapidly out of control before China has disposed of the bulk of her dollar-denominated bonds.

    The certain victim will be the dollar. And as the dollar sinks, China will be blamed and tensions are bound to escalate between China and her Asian partners on one side, and America and her security partners on the other. The start of this additional crisis was the turning point last March, when the Fed publicly stated its inflation credentials. With nearly $3 trillion in its reserves, it is not surprising that China is acting to protect herself.

    With so much dollar debt and dollars in foreign ownership, it is hard to see how a substantial fall in the dollar’s purchasing power can be avoided and the Fed’s funding of the budget deficit badly disrupted.

    https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/china-is-killing-the-dollar






  • The Comintern abandoned the term in the interwar period essentially to beg for alliances with the Social-Democrats and calling them “Social-Fascists” was completely antagonistic to Soviet foreign policy during that period

    And what happened? Did the Social-Democrats force their governments to ally with the Soviets?

    No, we saw Chamberlain collude with Hitler to try and turn the Nazi army east, we saw Daladier do the exact same.

    France, under so-called “Socialist” Daladier, ratfucked Czechoslovakia by not activating the defence treaty that France and the Soviet Union had signed. (France and USSR signed a treaty with Czechoslovakia to come to her defence. However due to the anticommunism of the period the Czech President said that the Soviet Union could only defend Czechoslovakia if France came first to her defence. The reason he did this was because he suspected if only the Soviets came to his defence the capitalist pigs in France/UK would ally with the fascists and display this as “Communist aggression” and wage war on the Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union.) Instead France allowed Czechoslovakia to be carved up because they thought they were playing 5d chess to get Hitler to go east into the Soviet Union.

    Social democratic parties all over Europe collaborated with Hitler.

    Take Hungary, Hungarys Succdem party was never even banned under Hitlerite occupation so instep with fascism they were

    Let’s not beat about the bush - It was correct Soviet foreign policy once the Nazis had risen in 1933 to stop calling SuccDems Social-Fascists but doesn’t make it any less true

    This is all ironic of course on a page where we are discussing a Social-Democrat that supports fascism “over there”.

    “Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.”

    J. V. STALIN, from , “Concerning the International Situation,” 1924.



  • Dogshit article. If this person considers themselves a Communist they’re a shit one.

    often proclaiming imperialism to be the primary contradiction that must be confronted,

    WEE-WAW-WEE-WAW-WEE-WAW

    Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Immperialism has turned the 1st world into a kind of Elysium and the rest of the world into a child slave labour work camp who’s only chance at a decent life is to abandon everything and get into the “safe zone”.

    In the 20th Century the primary contradiction was between Capitalism and Socialism. With the fall of the USSR the primary contradiction is between the Right Of Nations To Self Determination (even under a bourgeois context as Lenin described) and the “Washington Consensus” ie. Imperialism.

    Why a member of a Marxist-Leninist party would choose to work with a man who spent part of his professional career targeting communists for persecution is baffling.

    Because who gives a shit. Brian Becker is a communist organiser so he’s already on every list imaginable. There seems to be a trend of Communists obsessed with Opsec (looking at Bayarea 415).

    That only works if you’re considering Maoist guerilla tactics or something. If you’re an organiser the cops and spooks already know who you are and are tapping you’re phone/net connection etc. And if you’re a public facing communist in any capacity you’ve already made the decision that if you’re effective in any way you’ll likely see the inside of a prison

    Lionel is an anti-vaxxer, 9/11-truther, virulent transphobe and quite open anti-communist and Trump fan. He is probably the last person in the world anyone on the left should want to have discussing Trump endorsing anti-Muslim propaganda, yet he was Loud & Clear’s choice.

    Literally who gives a shit. Right wing conspiracy theories arise out of a non-class conscious proletariat. If you put class politics in front of most conspiracy types they’ll connect the dots. That it is a global cabal of capitalists that run and control everything (not jews). That nations will act in a profit driven interest against the will of the people. etc. etc.

    There is a recurring theme here other than Loud & Clear’s guests being either LaRouchite entryists or outright belonging to the far right, and that theme is opposition to the ridiculous Russiagate theory. But opposing such nonsense absolutely does not require platforming crypto-fash, anti-semites and various other far-right bigots.

    No platforming is hot garbage. The only people who ever get properly no platformed are Communists and there was a current of Communists warning against demanding stuff like Infowars be banned and ever since the State has used this to alter the algorithym for left wing newspapers and completely shut out anti-imperialist and communist voices.

    And once again platforming right wingers and putting class politics in front of them is a good thing - because you’ll likekly hook a few of their listeners from a reactionary pipeline

    Syria as directed by Israel. In fact he says “the only way you can explain what the US has been doing in Syria” is advancing Israeli interests. Not only is this idea that Israel directs US policy rooted in anti-semitism, it also requires ignoring the rather straight-forward fact that the State of Israel is a US client state and serves to advance US interests in the region.

    So Israel didn’t occupy the Golan Heights? Israel serves US interest but it also on many occasions has been the tail wagging the dog





  • Funny how the things you describe is how China decided to operate. Quite hilarious seeing Stalinists in other posts doing the mental contortions trying to reconcile their adherence to a strictly planned economy with their adulation for Dengist China. At least previous Stalinists were internally consistent and pivoted to Hoxhaism.

    I largely describe myself as a Hoxhaist however any Socialist today that isn’t rallying behind China and CPC isn’t a socialist worth organising with given the state of class forces, the psyhopathic global hegemon and the absolute cult of the individual. I’m not sure if other shitlibs here realise but we are on the eve of Ww3 and China and Russia will be the targets.

    Hm… I wonder who came before Khrushev who let them become nascent. His name escapes me, maybe you can help?

    Absolutely. Stalin was too soft hearted in letting a previous Trotskyite come to power and handwaving his Trotskyism as something Kruschev had just flirted with in his youth. If Stalin hadn’t been a shitlib maybe we would still have a Workers State

    A later Soviet investigative commission found

    Sent in by the Kruschevites and later those under Gorbachev lol.

    Those 2 kept the Tukhachevsky transcripts confidential until 2000 when Colonel Alksnis was allowed to read them because he asked the Secret services and he was a Colonel in the Russian army (the transcript was released in full in 2018). Colonel Alksnis was a committed anti-Stalinist. HIs grandfather had been executed alongside Tukhachevsky for the same conspiracy. So why wouldn’t he be an anti-Stalinist, his grandfather had been shot and his grandma spent 13 years in a gulag and exile? After reading the transcripts he came away convinced they were guilty.

    Colonel Alksnis also points out the archives have been “cleaned” under each successive Leader.

    For me, I.V. Stalin and his time is a very sore and relevant issue until now.

    My grandfather – the commander of the second rank, deputy commissar of defense of the USSR for aviation Yakov Ivanovich (Jekabs Janovich) Alksnis, was shot in July 1938. His wife (my grandmother), Kristina Karlovna Mednis-Alksnis, as a member of the family of the traitor to the Motherland (CSIR), spent 13 years in camps and exiles. My father, Imant Yakovlevich, at the age of 10 was left without parents and until the age of 30 wore the stigma “son of an enemy of the people.” He found his mother only in 1957.

    Judging by the materials of the case, the first interrogation took place only in January 1938. At the same time, judging by the 1956 rehabilitation materials filed in the same case, my grandfather was repeatedly summoned for interrogations and “beat out” evidence from him. But where are these protocols with “knocked out” testimonies, why were they not in the file?

    After reviewing the transcript of the Tukhachevsky process, I realized that this process is also not so simple. My conviction that Tukhachevsky and his colleagues were simply forced to incriminate themselves under torture was seriously shaken, because judging by the transcript, they gave their testimonies quite sincerely. After reviewing the transcript of the process, I came to the conclusion that there was still a “military conspiracy”, or something like that, in the Red Army.

    In 2000, I was elected a deputy of the State Duma, and I turned to the Director of the FSB, N. Patrushev, with a request to allow me to again familiarize myself with my grandfather’s criminal case. I was again invited to the Lubyanka, or rather, to the Kuznetsk bridge in the reading room of the FSB, and I was given a familiar criminal case.

    I began to leaf through it, checking the records of 1990, and suddenly, to my amazement, I discovered that it lacked some important documents. For example, the NKVD intelligence report dated 1932 disappeared that the Latvian military attache stated in a private conversation with our agent that the Latvian General Staff has its own people among the military leaders of the Red Army. Among other surnames, the name of my grandfather was also mentioned there.

    In 1990, I was very doubtful of this report, since it was unlikely that my grandfather could be an agent of the Latvian General Staff; according to the recollections of my grandmother, he was a stony-stone Bolshevik. But the very fact of the disappearance of this and some other documents allows me to conclude that the “cleaning” of archives continues to this day. The question arises: why?

    So, in the archives there are documents that are not satisfied with the current government. The archives were “cleaned” under Stalin, under Khrushchev, under Gorbachev. “Cleaned” under Yeltsin.

    Further the son of the traitor understood what had happened in Soviet society when the Soviet Union collapsed

    My father was very upset by the collapse of the country. This is surprising, but in spite of the fact that as a result of the tragic events of the 30s his whole life was broken, I did not have to meet a greater patriot of our country. His country died, and six months later, on July 17, 1992, at the age of 65, he also died as a result of a heart attack.

    A month before, he and I, at the dacha, at evening tea, once had a frank conversation about what was happening, and suddenly my father said: “If Stalin was alive, he would not have allowed this mess.”

    I was shocked! My father, an ardent anti-Stalinist who hated Stalin with all the fibers of his soul, suddenly understood and forgave him …

    https://diplomaticpost.co.uk/index.php/2020/07/15/the-moscow-trials-colonel-viktor-alksnis-read-the-tukhachevsky-transcript-and-came-away-convinced-he-was-guilty/

    Stalin wrecked the military, stripped the party of it’s most dedicated members (

    Stalin cleaned out the fifth column in the military who people like Tukhachevsky Trots told us for years were “dedicated leaders” instead of the fifth column traitors that they were. All over Europe countries fell at the slightest touch of the Nazi Army due to fifth column collaboration but in the Soviet Union we’re expected to believe a lot of these generals and military leaders - only 20 years ago were probably White Guardists and monarchists fighting against the Bolsheviks alongside Germany and the other 13 capitalist nations - couldn’t possibly have collaborated.

    As to the “wrecking the army” comment- feel free to listen to Anti-Communist Stephen Kotkin say that historians have largely got the beginning of WW2 wrong on Stalin

    (Paraphrasing) Our current understanding of ww2 history is wrong. What we currently think is the Soviets were a disaster at the beginning and the Soviets learned how to become good commanders. What we instead see now is that these tremendous losses at the beginning were precisely necessary as they blunted the German army and killed it’s momentum. So what we currently believe is that Stalin was responsible for disasters at the beginning but what we now believe were necessary to kill the Germans momentum and grind them into a war of attrition

    Stephen Kotkin - Stalin At War - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NV-hq2akCQ

    We’re not gonna hear about Stalins supposed failure on the eve of the war to move troops up to the front in order to be ready. He was urged to do so by his two top commanders - Zhukov and Timoshenko. That’s because they were idiots. They didn’t understand blitzkreig. Blitzkreig was not about capturing territory. It was about destroying the fighting capacity of your enemy. The more troops you move to the frontier the more troops will be destroyed and the less fighting capacity you have and the more likelihood you’ll be defeated. So Stalins refusal to move more troops to the frontier zone was absolutely correct.

    (Ibid)

    You’re not going to hear about Stalins “supposed failure” to prepare for the War. Nevermind the Soviet Union was armed to the teeth. Yes it had the worlds largest army. Yes it had the most aircraft and tanks. Essentially it had too much stuff because it had been building for war for a decade.

    (Ibid)


  • 5 sentences…Cant do that as you’re asking a lot but I’ll be as brief as poss

    Kruschev came to power in a military coup and repressed (either removed or killed) the loyal Marxist-Leninists after Stalin tried to implement a bill that would democratise Soviet society . In his last year in power he wrote Economic problems of the USSR attacking the revisionists

    Enver Hoxha (leader of Communist Albania) said that that one of the Kruschevites told him they had Stalin killed (1)

    Kruschev represented the nascent bourgeois but with Stalins popularity in the Ussr he could not implement his reforms. He does a secret speech that immediately gets leaked to the West (funny that) heaping all the problems in Soviet society on Stalin which was entirely falsified. The Secret speech itself was leaked in such a way to pour poison through the Communist party - it was disseminated to the top leaders and cadres of the millions of Communist Party members (something like 0.9% of the Party). Meaning it was not out in the open that could be honestly fought and corrected. If that speech had been public the revisionists would’ve swung from lampposts

    He let out numerous counter revolutionaries from prisons and “rehabilitated” those shot during the Moscow trials like Tukhachevsky who we know now were guilty beyond doubt.

    With Stalin denigrated he was free to implement the reforms (post Stalin Soviet textbooks would legit have stuff like "profit is needed and the central planning system is a Stalinist hold over. Kruschev even declared the primacy of profit in industry in1961) starting with the privatisation of the tractor stations where the farmers basically collectively owned their means of production and by 1965 the Kosygin reforms were implemented which

    • reinstated the profit motive and the market

    • attacked the central planning system and directive system

    • allowed for the firing and hiring of people

    • gave more power to the managerial class (who previously could basically be fired by the workers and the manager couldnt fire them)

    It is this restoration of capital forces in Soviet society that led to a hypernormalisation within Soviet society (ie. They’re told “we’re building socialism” as socialism is being destroyed) until eventually they reached a point where they just pulled down the red flag, sold state industries to pennies to the nascent oligarchs and mafia in waiting and gave up the entire thing altogether

    Despite this many people fought to keep Soviet socialism alive and Yeltsin could only come to power by shelling the parliament with tanks, supported by the West and massacring 3000 Communists in the streets. To this the Western press praised Yeltsin who is now uni formally described as the worst Russian ruler in history in Russia.

    Yeltsin never would’ve won an election were it not for the West who proudly boasted about it

    For the other non-shitlib on this site that is capable of reading more than 5 sentences I would recommend reading

    The Complete Collapse Of Revisionism by Harpal Brar

    RESTORATION of CAPITALISM in the USSR by Martin Nicholaus

    THE RESTORATION OF CAPITALISM IN THE SOVIET UNION. by Bill Bland

    References

    (1) “All this villainy emerged soon after the death, or to be more precise after the murder, of Stalin. I say after the murder of Stalin, because Mikoyan himself told me . . . that they, together with Khrushchev and their associates, had decided . . . to make an attempt on Stalin’s life”. (E. Hoxha, With Stalin: Memoirs, p. 31).



    "For example, people ask with an air of innocence how the Soviet Union could consent to improve political relations with a state of the fascist type. Is that possible? they ask. But they forget that it is not a question of our attitude towards the internal regime of another country, but of the foreign relations between two states. They forget that we adhere to the position of not interfering in the internal affairs of other countries and, correspondingly, of not tolerating interference in our own internal affairs.** Furthermore, they forget an important principle of our foreign policy, which was formulated by Comrade Stalin at the Eighteenth Party Congresses follows:
    
    “We stand for peace and the strengthening of business relations with all countries. That is our position; and we shall adhere to this position as long as these countries maintain like relations with the Soviet Union, and as long as they make no attempt to trespass on the interests of our country.”
    
    The meaning of these words is quite clear: the Soviet Union strives to maintain friendly relations with all non-Soviet countries, provided these countries maintain a like attitude towards the Soviet Union.(Ibid)."
    

    So what was the result of the Soviets signing the pact after the British and French had sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler as a down-payment to invade the USSR? A week later the British were forced to declare war on Nazi Germany.

    The Soviet had flipped the tables on the British and French (and why the bourgeois present the “red-brown alliance!” because they don’t want to admit they were outplayed). The Soviets had secured their 2 front war meaning that when war eventually came to the Soviet Union…Germany would already be fighting two fronts.

    The Soviets were determined for peace and they aimed, consistently for peace. It was not their job to liberate the world from German fascism (yet this would be exactly what they did, The Soviets liberated Auschwitz).

    WW2 cost the Soviets 27 million of their own people - they had every right to attempt peace by any means necessary and only at the 11th hour, after the British and French refused again , did they realise they were on their own and they had to buy time for themselves.

    I must admit I’m with Grover Furr on his conclusion though. If the Soviets had been successful in getting an anti-Nazi alliance I’ve no doubt that the Brits and French would’ve done nothing as Germans invaded Poland while USSR would’ve been bound to defend Poland only for the Brits and French to do nothing (as the Brits and French did to Czechoslovakia)

    Upon realising they were being back-stabbed by the Brits and French - the Soviet Union would now be at war with Germany with no Western Front.

    In a round about way of history it is better that the Brits and French connived with Hitler.

    That the Soviets, in turn, fucked over the Brits/Poles and French after they refused an alliance because then the Soviets were able to force Britain, Poland and France into the war for an entire year before the Soviets were forced to enter it