I’m not defending the vote so much as pointing out that it was a meaningless vote.

Just ignore the part where you kept suggesting the Iron Dome was “defensive” therefore it’s OK and “not a weapon” (lmao) therefore voting in favour of it would be legitimate.

Again, you’re just an obtuse moron twisting yourself into a pretzel pretending its nuance.

If MTG brought up an amendment that said everyone gets to live forever and AOC voted against it, would you claim AOC is pro-death or would you recognize that MTG’s proposal was a useless measure that shouldn’t be taken seriously?

You’re just not a serious person. Learn to shut the fuck up.

Except I’m not. You literally quoted me saying I don’t support funding the iron dome.

You are an absurdly obtuse and disingenuous person.

Iron Dome funding is sending arms to Israel. Iron Dome protects Israel as it invades its neighbours and commits a genocide. It’s that simple.

You are defending a vote against stripping iron dome funding, accusing others of being in favour of killing civilians whilst trying to claim you also don’t support funding Israel. You can’t have it both ways. You support killing of civilians with your own stupid fucking rhetoric, but you want to dance around the issue and pretend you aren’t doing what you are in fact doing.

There actually was a lot of debate about civilian deaths in the firebombing of Dresden and the dropping of the atomic bombs in Japan. Your lack of historical context and nuance doesn’t help your broad brush arguments.

You are genuinely a fucking moron. I said nothing about Dresden or dropping nukes. You are literally advocating for sending AA guns to Hitler by equating and reducing all forms of military response as being one and the same as mass murder of civilians to suggest it’s legitimate to support funding for the Iron Dome as “defensive”.

I wouldn’t personally support funding anything in Russia or Israel.

Yet here you are defending funding the iron dome. Weird that.

A gun is an offensive weapon. It’s not useful for self defense. You can’t shoot bullets out of the air easily. There’s no need for useless name-calling.

A missile is an offensive weapon. What do you think the iron dome is? Idiot.

Except she voted against said funding by voting against the bill.

Yet she defended funding the iron dome, which is giving arms to Israel.

The iron dome existed before the current genocide.

Irrelevant to the point.

But you’re literally saying that civilians in Israel should die because the people in control of the government and military are committing genocide.

Irrelevant to the point. You’re saying Russian civilians should die by saying you wouldn’t fund anything in Russia. You also said the same about Israel, so you also support killing Israeli civilians according to you.

You’re saying German civilians should die because you refuse to provide Hitler with AA guns.

I’d be interested in defending Israel entirely. The conservatives in the majority in Congress will not allow that to happen. However AOC voted or even if she abstained, the results would not be any different.

??? nonsensical.

She literally didn’t say that. If she did, you could quote her saying “Tlaib and Omar are Nazis.” You’re assigning that meaning to her words and then getting upset at your own interpretation.

“If you believe neo-nazis are welcome and operating in good faith, you can have them!” She said about people voting in favour of the amendment. She called Ilhan and Tlaib nazis.

Would you support funding an iron dome for Russia against Ukraine?

The iron dome isn’t a defensive “weapon.” That’s a contradiction in terms.

A gun doesn’t stop being a weapon because you used it in self defence, idiot.

She specifically cited an interest in not having innocent people die.

By funding arms to Israel to protect it from consequences of committing a genocide and invading and bombing multiple neighbours, which then allows it to act with further impunity to keep doing what it’s doing.

She did not call Tlaib a Nazi. That’s a gross misrepresentation of the statement. Ask Tlaib if she thinks AOC was referring to her.

She straight up declared anyone who voted for it effectively a nazi. She called Tlaib and Omar nazis.

AOC herself defended “”“defensive”“” weapns to Israel. She was against the amendment on those grounds.

Her and other progressives vote for “doomed” bills and amendments all the time, as do most politicians. They vote for them to signal their position and push those positions publicly as much as anything else.

Rashiba Tlaib voted for the amendment. AOC called her a nazi.

Let’s send defensive weapons to nazi germany during the holocaust.

“Defensive” as Israel invades and occupies multiple countries.

The distinction between defensive and offensive is meaningless.

Unironically this

Imagine thinking you did anything with this response besides shit your pants then trip landing head first in the toilet bowl.

lmfao

Mate this is my first comment in this comment chain

“in this comment chain” being the operative part, as if people don’t have eyes to see you’ve been doing the same bullshit in this thread.

said something before a very public turnaround 5 years ago,

lmfao when this was started it was how could you possibly think he thought or believed anything bad, now it’s before several years ago when he definitely for real changed all his views just don’t ask me to name what those views are after I keep demanding everyone else provide evidence, next it’ll be “but did he say it literally last week???”

Just shut the fuck up and learn to not be so pathetic. Fucking hell.

Mate, are you really just gonna keep moving the goalposts and doing this subpar jordan peterson fan shit?

Imagine being this pathetically tied to a youtuber, holy shit.

He has stated his favourite author is a Japanese fascist who wanted to restore the emperor, Yukio Mishima, who tried to do a coup and killed himself when he failed.

But I’m sure he just likes the guy for his prose, and has no particular fixation or interest in Nazi and fascist imagery and politics.

but as you’re resorting to lame ad hominems

lmao

all people who don’t share my political naivety are “cultists”

invokes ad hominem so your argument is invalid

Perfect representation of STEMlord redditor.

As a developer and maintainer of FOSS, you are a part of the problem I’m describing

The problem being we aren’t all as absurdly shallow in our understanding of the world and politics as you are? Get your head out of your arse.

“He’s a nice guy” “being along for the ride” “I saw his transformation over the years” “People hate for the sake of hating”.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/2/17/14613234/pewdiepie-nazi-satire-alt-right

He has repeatedly and overtly used Nazi imagery, made a multitude of “jokes” like this:

Mr. Kjellberg says the material is portrayed in jest. He showed a clip from a Hitler speech in a Sept. 24 video criticizing a YouTube policy, posted swastikas drawn by his fans on Oct. 15 and watched a Hitler video in a brown military uniform to conclude a Dec. 8 video. He also played the Nazi Party anthem before bowing to a swastika in a mock resurrection ritual on Jan. 14, and included a very brief Nazi salute with a Hitler voice-over saying “Sieg Heil” and the text “Nazi Confirmed” near the beginning of a Feb. 5 video.

[…]

In addition to more overt Nazi symbolism, Kjellberg makes references to the alt-right that are veiled but obvious if you know where to look. In one video from late August, he makes an extended racist joke comparing Harambe the gorilla to Saturday Night Live and Ghostbusters actress and comedian Leslie Jones, echoing the widespread politically tinged, racist harassment that Jones endured last summer, largely from the alt-right.

And in another video from November, Kjellberg overlays a swastika, along with audio of a speech from Hitler, over unrelated commentary about clickbait YouTube channels. He then goes on to refer to BuzzFeed as “a bunch of cucks” — “cuck” being an alt-right buzzword.

It’s not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.

FOSS is literally a political and ideological set of positions. The entire thing that makes Free Software and Open Source differentiated from just “normal” software development and distribution are a set of political and organisational positions, which are in limited fashion codified and expressed in software licenses, and also through e.g. structure of organisations around projects and why they’re structured that way.

Without that, you just get companies making money from pawning off a portion of their development and infrastructure costs to volunteers and other organisations (non-profits, other companies, governments).

Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software,

FOSS isn’t about fandom of a particular piece of software.

and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won’t need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They’re trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.

This is absurdly politcally and socially naive. Also can we please ban stemlords from ascribing every aspect of politics and political advocacy to always being a cult.

I don’t really care, I saw his transformation over the years and while I didn’t like most his content he is a nice guy. And being along for the ride was sort of like every time something happened you basically were part of (yt) history books xD

You sound like an insanely parasocial 15 year old, grow up and stop getting mad at people not liking your favourite youtuber.

If you can provide evidence for what really happened, I’ll happily take a look.

I wasn’t able to get screenshots before I was banned, and the moderator in question very clearly scrubbed the chat to cover the whole thing and whatever other mess other people attested to happening afterwards. The only thing anyone can do is take my word for it, and accounts of some of the other people who posted and saw the aftermath.

I did, however, get accused of making antisemitic remarks, which never happened, but comments were seen being made by others in these comments after I had already been banned. So either the moderator lied, or is terrible at moderating and lumped me in with antisemitic users as an excuse or because they’re just that bad at handling moderation.

https://todon.nl/@glacial/114744544014616152

And yes, my language was harsh, and I apologise for that. I’ve just seen people making up drama to discredit communities before, and it gets on my nerves somewhat.

And in response you made up a bunch of bullshit in an effort to discredit me. In other words, you made up drama.

Copying my comment from the other thread (they’ve made a few).

No, “they” haven’t. I have made exactly one thread. Other people may have cross posted elsewhere, but there is exactly one from the person who saw this firsthand, which is me.

Firstly, the entire conversation was scrubbed from the chat, and it was done so before the lemmy.ml callout post was discovered/made. So claiming that they’re “okay with it” is a bit of a stretch.

No, it isn’t a stretch, considering I literally described how the only person to get moderated and get called a nutcase was the person calling out racism, which was me.

I don’t know or care enough to say who is right or wrong, but here you go in case anyone wants to look into it.

Yet you still felt the need to comment and make up a bunch of bullshit out of nowhere, as if that’s remotely meaningful or irrelevant to anyone looking into it.

What I assumed happened is that people were talking about the lawsuit and someone offhandedly mentioned Asmongold. Then GlacialTurtle decided to go on a long rant about genocide and then was told to cool it. Because obviously anyone that doesn’t want to talk about genocide in a server about Linux software is in fact tactily supporting genocide, Turtle doubled down and ended up getting banned. Then they went to their next platform to complain about it, Lemmy, and now here we are two degrees removed from the discussion with no actual receipts.

None of this happened. You literally invented a whole scenario in your own head just to attack someone, so as to defend something you didn’t see, about a topic you admit you don’t know anything about, because like so many other dipshits online, you feel the need to spew out a take based on nothing than your own ill-concieved, ill-informed presumptions, because you’re a fucking idiot.

What you assumed is irrelevant, because it turns out assumptions can be wrong.

I guess damage control after what resplendent said, seeing as the stuff I mentioned as prompting a response from me I’m pretty sure had been up for a while and had a response from the mod already with no action (nothing about topics being inappropriate or anything like that, no actual moderation was done at the time). It was only me saying anything that prompted any reaction.

Which I guess is a very good demonstration of why you don’t let that shit fester or you get people like that thinking they’re welcome. Would you be willing to maybe send me some screenshots? (be careful there’s no personally identifying information in them)