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  • Probably less important when dealing with animals, where it’s usually more cut and dry, but I’ve got some hangups about our ability to make objective decisions about what is “in something/one’s best interests.”

    I see the point. I won’t say I necessarily agree with it. I think the ethical considerations are much stronger in the “in favor of” column for this development than in the “against.” Which TBH, I don’t know if that’s a statement Jim East was disagreeing with. I do think that in the future we could probably improve the ethics of this kind of process by applying more rigorous standards, but in the near term its probably better to focus on stopping killing animals for food in general.

    Either way, it doesn’t really matter for my actions, as I don’t have access to lab-grown meat anyway.


  • I mean that essentially all human interactions with animals seem like they’d be unethical under that standard. Like obviously no pets, but I assume that’s way further up the chain of thoughts (and while I don’t agree, I think that’s a reasonable stance to have). But also it seems like we wouldn’t be able to do things like tagging certain species for tracking purposes, something we do primarily for conservation. Or like moving animals out of spaces made for humans (I.E. buildings.) My problem is that an animal cannot consent to anything, so informed consent as a standard means that all human-animal interactions seem to be exploitative. IDK, maybe I’m thinking about this wrong, or maybe I’ve interpreted it as more extreme than it is.

    I should state that I’m trying (and possibly failing) to examine it as an idea on its own terms, not argue that you shouldn’t believe it.











  • This looked like a pretty reasonable report to me. Not exactly hopeful, but maybe slightly better than my hope was before. My takeaways are the same as they were:

    1. The US isn’t going to lead the fight, we need China (and India) to make progress (faster than it is, though this report was somewhat hopeful to me on that front.)
    2. Solar and batteries is gonna be the main source, governments need to build that.
    3. Individuals help by A. Being active in the political processes of democratic countries. B. Switching to EVs or preferably off cars altogether. C. Limiting or preferably eliminating meat consumption. D. Switching heating devices off of gas. But individual actions won’t be the primary driving force behind any change.
    4. General societal shifts towards a reduction in consumption are going to be required.