I’ve heard a lot about AirVPN, but it doesn’t have an app on Fdroid or anything. Yes you can download it directly from their site, but that is a little cumbersome.

Another option I’m considering is Windscribe.One major knock against it (and the same thing for AirVPN) is that htere is no tutorial available for installing the wireguard version on openwrt.

I really don’t know enough about these. Windscribe has been sort of tested in court (again that was in Greece, and they don’t have the same might of an authoritarian state as the US or some place), so that’s a plus.

I don’t know, I’m so confused that it sort of makes sense to stick with Mullvad at times.

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    There’s Proton, but given the controversy… yeah (though I did look at what they donate to and it seems to not be right-wing companies).

    IVPN is perhaps your best bet.

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      Proton made one positive comment about some Trump anti censorship policy. Their “controversy” is really overblown.

      Mullvad is directly donating to Nazis.

      That said Proton doesn’t have the same extreme privacy as Mullvad. But they are much cheaper with promos and also have good app support.

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          Dude, they provided payment information because they were legally required to do so by swiss law. They did not share any actual user data from within the product. It sucks but if you use a roundabout payment method this wouldn’t be an issue.

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            At the same time, Proton makes paying anonymously difficult. If you want to pay with Monero they don’t officially support it and you have to go through a third party and buy a gift card, which is also not documented on their website, or exchange Monero for Bitcoin and pay with that. Contrast with IVPN/AirVPN/Mullvad which all officially support Monero. Also looking at their payment page, if you do pay with credit card they automatically renew by default, thus storing your credit card information without making that clear. Contrast with IVPN which doesn’t by default and clarifies the privacy drawbacks, and Mullvad which doesn’t do that at all. Sure the activist shouldn’t have used a credit card, but at the same time Proton aggressively markets themselves as a privacy service so they need to act like one instead of encouraging bad privacy practices because subscriptions are profitable.

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            It is for people who want to not get arrested, especially when the alternatives don’t have the same level of neglect that Proton does (and some of them have a proven track record of not leaking information). IVPN and AirVPN at least accept Monero so I’d trust them more

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        A Mullvad founder and co-owner donating to Nazis is NOT Mullvad directly donating to Nazis.

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          No, but it is Mullvad customers money going directly to funding an obviously far right party.

          The co-owner is very much the major funder of that party.

          Honesty is really easy.

          OP asked for options, not for this debate to go around in circles again.

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          proton are an ai company, and an email provider. do the math there.

          I had a 2 year subscription with them, using their vpn and email. I stopped using them after approx 6 months of product use, customer support, and paying attention to their social media manipulation, and repeated lack of attention to product quality. Throwing away the other 18 months of subscription.

          They are a very dodgy company, trying to be the next google, which is ironic considering how many canadian patriots are now heading there due to trump/google.

          Their brand is very popular with their zombie fans who struggle to think, but are very quick with upvotes, and downvotes.

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            You’re pretty vague for a “non-zombie”. What’s the issue with being an email provider? Also, they have an AI chatbot, I’m not sure they’re training any models, and I don’t know of any issue they’ve had with that product. Lastly, define them being a “dodgy” company.

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              I believe I made it obvious I wanted going to bother dealing with proton fanboys again?

              People can make their own minds up by paying attention, or they can just follow the crowd, not my problem.

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          Repeated misleading marketing on both their social medias and websites such as the false “no-log” claim that got someone arrested

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            Interesting. I’ll read up in that.

            Also: check your permissions to prevent possible rights escalations. (And yes, I know that it relies more on the sudoers file but I am sure there is some attack surface there …)

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              Yeah IRL for most things I actually use a separate account not in the “wheel” group that doesn’t have sudo access and use a Nix module that locks down directory permissions lol