Tldr the statement is basically this
Mh-370 for everyone.
I fly a lot over Russia from Europe to China with Chinese airlines because it’s so much faster. If they even come close to downing a Chinese commercial airliner, it will change the complexion of the war.
There is no justification for attacking on civilians.
In the linked article no one suggests attacks on civilians. Rather it reads as a way to avoid unnecessary casulties.
What a clickbait headline.
Sure but that’s a threat and a weak cover. The logistics of covering Russian airspace with so many drones that a civilian aircraft would just happen into one is ridiculous. This is an incredibly common tactic.
Yeah this is what he actually said…
“Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe.”
“Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”
“We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over. It is important that this is heard by the ambassadors of countries represented here in Ukraine, as well as by ambassadors working in Moscow.”
“Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”
bro, you gotta learn to read imperialese. this is imperial speak to say we’re going to kill civilians. didn’t you learn form the “enhanced interrogation” scandal from the gringo fascist empire?
It’s actually closer to Irans playbook, making the Strait unnavigable. Notice that he explicitly called out insurers in the speech. He wants to exercise political control over the Russian airspace and he’s using drones to do it. “Too risky to travel” means no travel. That’s not killing civilians.
It should also be completely fair to say, “hey… this is an active war zone. You probably shouldn’t fly here.” At a certain point, the risk is something that the airliner chose to accept. It’s not that Ukraine would target them. It’s that you’re in a fucking war zone, know the risks. Be glad you even got a warning for what should be common sense.
We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost.
Well that’s just an outright and blatant lie.
How do “russian airspace will become completely unsafe” und “do not threaten civilian aviation” together?
War is dangerous. Ukraine has been attacked and is fighting back. They’re warning people that the area they are fighting in is dangerous and they don’t want anyone to get hurt.
Do you assume Ukraine should prioritize commercial airline safety over their own sovereignty and their own commercial airlines, which have consistently been in danger for years?
There is not a safe way to conduct war. I’m sure Zelensky would prefer to stop the fighting, but that option currently means the death of Ukraine entirely.
Civilian Aircraft wont be deliberately targeted, but there will be so many munitions flying arround unnanounced they would be wise to re-route
soooooooooo, i didn’t punch you, your face intercepted my fist kind of mental gymnastics?
But .ml needs to hate Ukraine, what are the supposed to do, listen to facts?
listening to facts are the reason why anyone who reads will understand why ukraine is in the wrong.
the american congress banned weapons going to ukraine back in 2018 because of its neo nazi proclivities; how are you almost a decade slower than congress?!!!
It’s almost like they are the ones who hate/ignore facts. Or more honestly just wanting to troll and stir up drama since that’s the majority of their comments
Russia does…
That’s not justification for killing more civilians that’s psychotic.
If airlines care about not losing planes and people they will stop flying over Russia so it would have the ideal result of shutting down flights there. Ethically it’s a bit fucked but it’s likely an effective way to apply more pressure. And it’s not like Russia can’t just stop all of this.
I need you to understand the line you are choosing to cross here. You are now openly, in front of everybody, shrugging and vaguely justifying open mass terror against civilians.
Well, that includes Russians.
Yes it does. It includes both Russian civilians and Ukrainian civilians
No idea why I’ve been downvoted. Deliberately killing any civilians is a war crime. End of point.
Because your original comment says “well Russia does it …” kindof seems like you’re implying an “eye for an eye” situation is just here. If your comment was focusing on Russian civilian death, too, it doesn’t really seem like it, kinda more like you’re trying to act like Russia kills way more Ukrainian civilians and that makes it ok that Ukraine can kill Russian civilians, because “well Russia does it too …”
If that wasn’t your intention then I apologize but you must see how it comes off that way.
I guess I’ve been misundestood. English does that to me time to time. What I meant is, there is no justification for attacking on civilians no matter which side you are on, that includes Russian civilians. Definitely didn’t want to mean eye for an eye. That’s terrible.
Thanks for the heads up.
Well hey, your English has me convinced! I’d much rather give tips on English than explain why killing civilians, no matter who, is bad 😅 rock on friend !
Very normal behavior that definitely isn’t a warcrime or anything. We aren’t targetting civilian aircraft they just might be hit haha
Attacks on civilians infrastructure? That sounds very illegal and may have Zelenskyy sent to The Hague.
may have Zelenskyy sent to The Hague.
He’s white, though.
So is Netanyahu, and he has a warrant out. If Zelenskyy starts striking civilian planes with international travelers onboard he’s going to lose support as far as Western public opinion goes and the ICC won’t be far behind.
Kiev was already under scrutiny from western media pre-2022 for their war crimes in the Donbass region. Once the war escalated with Russia entering the war, the same media apparatus flipped 180. I doubt Ukraine attacking civilian planes will lose them support among the west.
a warrant that’s not neither being enforced by any of the countries that promised to support the icc/icj nor pursued since the us empire had the icj prosecutor relieved of duty.
Perhaps you could read the article instead of inferring what was said from a clickbait title.
“Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”
“We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over.
totally not going to kill civilians, sure.
“Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe,” Zelensky said in a post on X that cited his nightly address.
Yes, because these are the words of a leader who definitely intends to do no harm.
Seems like Trump is definitely rubbing off on this guy.
To steal the post of someone hire up this post that shared the entirety of the quote…
“Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe.”
“Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”
“We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over. It is important that this is heard by the ambassadors of countries represented here in Ukraine, as well as by ambassadors working in Moscow.”
You cherry picked one line without context. His statement is a warning that non military flights will be flying through an active war zone, so proceed with caution. It’s not a threat that he plans to attack civilian targets. He definitely intends to do harm, to Russian military and infrastructure, but if civilians put themselves in harms way, they may end up as an accidental casualty. That’s different than some like Putin who specifically targets civilians.
Sounds like Israel’s statements.
We don’t kill any civilians on purpose. We tell just them all the areas where they could be staying might get bombed. It’s their fault for not disappearing in thin air before our bombs turn them into thin air.
Sounds like Israel’s statements.
Because it is
And you’re assuming I didn’t read the rest of it.
He didn’t need to state that first paragraph. Period.
I didn’t say you didn’t read it, but I did say that you were disingenuous for cherry picking part of the quote leaving out the rest of the context. The first paragraph is a fair warning to anyone flying in airspace that is going to get more dangerous. That’s not him saying he’s targeting civilians or that he intends to.
But the final paragraph is him saying that they don’t care if or when they take out a civilian aircraft because they did a warning.
It’s the same as when cops shoot someone while giving themselves plausible deniability
Entirely reasonable attitude, except that’s not what he says is the plan. I know you haven’t read it, so it’s just a question of not reading or whether you’re a Russian paid agitator/bot.
You guys are so arrogant and have your heads so far up your own asses you cant even conceive of someone disagreeing with you unless they are misinformed or a disingenuous paid troll. You guys wont see reality until it smacks you square in the face.
Not even then. They’ll twist themselves into knots to find a version of reality that paints this inhumanity as something nobody could have known about at the time (and an unreasonable assumption anyway!) or they’ll just deny it forever.
Russia does an the time…
