- cross-posted to:
- graphene_os@lemmy.sdf.org
- privacy@lemmy.ml
- security@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- graphene_os@lemmy.sdf.org
- privacy@lemmy.ml
- security@lemmy.ml
cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/privacy@lemmy.ml/p/1776518/grapheneos-not-supporting-pixel-11s
If GrapheneOS stops supporting future Pixels, and Motorola is only targeting the flagship market for their compatible phones, we’re looking at truly dark days ahead.
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It’s less graphene isn’t supporting the pixel and more, the pixel is no longer secure enough for the software if I read their announcement correctly.
We strongly recommend against buying Pixel 11 devices. Pixel 8, 9 and 10 have much better overall security for GrapheneOS. Pixel 10 is cheaper with similar hardware and MTE. Pixel 11’s Titan M3 should improve BFU security for users without a strong passphrase, but losing MTE craters AFU security.
Damn.
Can someone translate these acronyms into human words?
We strongly recommend against buying Pixel 11 devices. Pixel 8, 9 and 10 have much better overall security for GrapheneOS. Pixel 10 is cheaper with similar hardware and MTE. Pixel 11’s Titan M3 should improve BFU security for users without a strong passphrase, but losing MTE craters AFU security.
BFU - Before First Unlock
AFU - After First Unlock
MTE - Hardware memory tagging
Modern mobile device OS’ are more resilient to attacks if they had been rebooted but haven’t been logged onto yet (before first unlock). GrapheneOS leverages MTE in a way that secures the device even after the first unlock (but with the device on the lock screen). This means that while the new Pixel 11 phones improve the phone’s security when it hasn’t been in recent use it reduces security while it is in use.
TLDR: new phone has weaker security on lock screen
sorry mate, I don’t get it either.
It’s a conversation we have had before, but Android derivatives are really not a long-term solution. There are mountains of technical issues that myself and others take issue with that only ditching the Android ecosystem in its entirety can fix. Also, are we really sure phones are a necessity of modern life?
I feel like every few years there’s a new Linux smartphone but the tech doesn’t seem to be there yet from a user standpoint. I think the most recent I saw was the Volla Phone Quintus running Ubuntu Touch, and Waydroid seemed like a nightmare.
Reject Convienence documented their time with dumb phone. I’m sure some people could pull it off, but I can’t even get mail at my apartment without scanning a barcode. Plus barcode tickets, QR codes, 2FA…
Yeah, fair, I am very fortunately in a position to ditch having a phone altogether and never look back. Waydroid is a nightmare, but translation layers like Steams thing and the creatively named Android Translation layer do exist and kindof work.
Being required to use a phone to get snail mail is insane! The whole point of mail is that direct interaction with technology along with some pretty excellent security and privacy guarantees! I hate how much smartphones have become a piece of society.
Also worth noting, simply having a SIM tied to your name and taken with you is a privacy issue.
Modern phones are extremely convenient. Being able to plan your trip, go on it, take pictures, listen to music, stay informed, book hotels, and everything else with a single, small device is much better than having a separate device for everything. Smartphone are MP3 player, laptop, camera, and GPS device all in one.
I do wish the OS weren’t controlled by one single entity and were fully opensource, always.
OTOH there is a ton of apps built for Android, a ton of developers with experience out there and really mature tools like Android studio + kotlin. It will be hard for any phone to replace that.
