i am so incredibly used to defending good things by explaining how they help people and make their lives better because, yeah obviously that’s why good things are good and people with empathy would want that. i get that modern Western bourgeois “morality” is fucked, but if you tell people that they just think you are amoral or don’t think morals are good or just don’t care about them.

i’m so used to describing things and “good” and “bad” and the fact that Marxist theory just doesn’t seem to bother with that throws me for a loop. and then comes the question of “well REALLY what IS morality” and whether its objective (which i dont think it possibly could be? i’m a hard atheist) and its just kind of a mess in my brain as i’m trying to parse it all out.

edit: i get that the immorality of exploitation is apparent in Marxist analysis and should be to anybody, i’m more talking about how the argument isn’t framed as a moral one, because then you can get really annoying people in there trying to facts-and-logic their way out of it, if that makes sense

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    “Morality isn’t objective” is a very different claim from “there is no morality”. I’m a hard atheist too, and I defend morality based on discussion and consensus rather than the interpretation of a multi thousand year book carried out by an elite.

    You don’t need to defend universal morality to defend morality, and there are universal enough opinions that should be defended strongly: children starving is bad, people falling sick without treatment is bad, homelessness as currently taking place is bad, genocide is bad, systematic violence against women and queer people and ethnic minorities is bad.

    If someone tries to argue that those things aren’t bad, what they deserve is at best reeducation, and you won’t possibly convince them of anything. Marxism gives us the analysis and tools to fight against those phenomena, and that’s why I support it. Not because of some “manifest destiny of the falling rate of profit”, but because of the scientific evidence pointing to socialist systems fighting against those issues and winning.