• Chaf@slrpnk.net
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      Don’t blame everything on the data centers. Everything else is doing its part in contributing to climate change.

      Apart from that data centers, at the scale at which we seem them pop up now, are way too young to have a considerable effect on the current heat wave. Which doesn’t mean that they won’t in the future. Climate change is, after all, a decades long project

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        Its a millennia long project.

        This is another reason why geoengineering is such a bad idea. Even if you stumble onto something that works without killing everyone, you have to consistently do it for many centuries.

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    You know what would help this situation?

    AI

    Lots and lots of AI.

    Also more religion.

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      Yeah, the dummies said “bet” and no one has curbed their child rearing to reduce overall impact.

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      Yet those most affected by heatwaves are elderly and chronically ill people who can‘t afford proper cooling technology.

      It‘s not hurting those in power, it‘s hurting those already marginalised.

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        Europe (alongside the USA and other countries of the “western world”) has been releasing disgusting amounts of climate change-inducing gases since the 18th century, and they (alongside the USA) were the main profiteers of climate pollution until the latter half of the 20th century. Arguably still are, though other countries like China and Brazil also play a part now.

        Granted, this treats nations as monoliths, it’s not like the population of most countries really had a choice for the most part.

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            Nice of you to side-track with current emissions (per capita even), and not cumulative historical emissions, which were actually mentioned.

            Feel free to compare different countries yourself: https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics (I’m not sure why ourworldindata doesn’t just put all of this on one page instead of splitting it up. It’s always a hassle to find the right one it even is on the same page, I just didn’t look close enough) The more interesting comparison might be high-income vs low-income countries.

            To get back to the discussion: Yes, Europes share is not as huge as it used to be, and it’s getting lower, but what can be seen from @Tehdastehdas@piefed.social graph is that that’s less due to Europe behaving better and rather due to other countries polluting more. Not a good argument for saying “Europe is doing better now”

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            Right now, yes, but for the vast majority of history it wasn’t even close. Your link shows that China only met the EU’s per capita emissions in 2013, when climate change was already pretty far along. And they are still profiting from their past emissions via the wealth and societal development that they generated back then.

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              That’s fair, but you can’t deny Europe has done much better than its counterparts for more than 2 decades. Europe is not the guilty one there.

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                But, consider this: there was a time from before two decades ago. There are rumours that there are even people who are older than 20. Scary, I know.

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                  So you’re blaming mistakes made more than 20 years ago while forgetting those who were made since? Totally objective and fair opinion…

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        Source? Not to say they aren’t putting in a ton of effort and making great progress. It’s just hard for me to see them as the biggest force in stopping global warming when China built an entire Germany of electrical capacity last year and almost all of it was renewables

        Their manufacturing leadership has brought solar and wind down so cheap that it’s no longer economical to use create non-renewable generators in most cases. They’re also doing a fantastic job producing new electric cars and industrial scale batteries

        China is still massively polluting but they’re showing a kind of leadership on climate change that I wish I saw in America

        I’m curious to hear your take on why Europe is doing the most on climate change

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          America could have had pioneer advantage but they fucked it because the political system there has been corrupted by money.

          For example Israel bans private funding to politicians and political parties, it’s a criminal offence, funding is organised nationally from public funds, if US politicians didn’t whore themselves out to special interests it might actually start being able to represent the electorate

          But since both parties have their snouts in the trough the country will continue to represent those that pay the most money first and foremost

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          China is polluting because they produce the European and American stuff over there. On their own they’d still pollute but much less.

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          It’s documented in every COP report. Our electricity is mostly carbon-free thanks to renewable and nuclear. Our industry is gone to China. Heating with fossil fuel is being replaced with electric installation and heat pumps…

          China was polluting a lot more, that’s where a lot of room for improvement existed.

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          I remember I saw a statistics that China is producing twice more emmisions per person and USA four times more.

          And I found this is pretty website with a lot of comparison Our World in Data - CO2 Emissions. Europe was producing almost exclusively til 1900 but since then USA dominated until China took over in 2000. According to the page, EU was responsible for 6.3% of all emissions in 2024, and Europe in total for 12.7%. Pretty much equal to USA emmisions. And while it is much more then South America, Africa and Oceania, it is still a fraction of Asia emmisions.

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    That bottom image is, like, the most aggressively chic weather forecast I’ve ever seen.