Yeah, that “Lyrics style and emotion descriptors” section is absolutely ridiculous from the perspective of aesthetic judgment. No normal listener or professional critic judges music and lyrics on the basis of, I quote, “unique token ratio, repeated token ratio, pronoun frequency, line count, or punctuation counts”.
I just clicked on one study as a reply to this guy being a dick.
While music and everything concerning taste is mostly subjective there are some quantifiable parameters.
Like variety of chords, note progressions, and melodic transitions.
The over use of audio compression, presets and loops,etc…
I don’t think he was a dick. He wasn’t very tactful, but he wasn’t insulting you.
You can quantity it, but that doesn’t mean the quantification is meaningful and correlates with literally anything else. Like, loops are bad? I guess I should inform all those classical music critics they’re actually dumb for liking Terry Riley and Steve Reich.
I do think it’s meaningful.
Even if I don’t need data or a scientific explanation of why the bulk (mainstream) music is getting worse.
I can hear that already.
loops are bad?
So you don’t go in to the measured chords, note progressions, and melodic transitions but cherrypick loops.
I didn’t say that.
It’s about OVER USE of the same loops and presets.
I guess I should inform all those classical music critics they’re actually dumb for liking Terry Riley and Steve Reich.
So this is irrelevant but apparently you feel the need to make snarky remarks too.
Bye
You’re by far the most rude and snarky person in this whole comment chain.
Even if I don’t need data or a scientific explanation of why the bulk (mainstream) music is getting worse.
I mean, you are the one who brought up scientific explanations and are currently trying to defend them…
but cherrypick loops
It was just one example. The other ones are more vague, but even going off the general meaning it’s obvious they’re meant to apply to modern western music and would fail outside of it.
It’s about OVER USE of the same loops and presets.
Yeah, ok, I understood that.
So this is irrelevant
It is irrelevant that your quasi-objective standards easily fail when applied to somewhat unconventional music?
That sounds pretty implausible, from so many angles.
Well then decide after looking at the studies.
Are these studies in the room now?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-55742-x
I’ll post one, just to humor some pretentious asshole
Lol that’s a study into lyrics becoming simpler over time (for some given set of music) not music becoming “more shitty”.
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Yeah, that “Lyrics style and emotion descriptors” section is absolutely ridiculous from the perspective of aesthetic judgment. No normal listener or professional critic judges music and lyrics on the basis of, I quote, “unique token ratio, repeated token ratio, pronoun frequency, line count, or punctuation counts”.
I just clicked on one study as a reply to this guy being a dick.
While music and everything concerning taste is mostly subjective there are some quantifiable parameters.
Like variety of chords, note progressions, and melodic transitions.
The over use of audio compression, presets and loops,etc…
I don’t think he was a dick. He wasn’t very tactful, but he wasn’t insulting you.
You can quantity it, but that doesn’t mean the quantification is meaningful and correlates with literally anything else. Like, loops are bad? I guess I should inform all those classical music critics they’re actually dumb for liking Terry Riley and Steve Reich.
I do think it’s meaningful.
Even if I don’t need data or a scientific explanation of why the bulk (mainstream) music is getting worse.
I can hear that already.
So you don’t go in to the measured chords, note progressions, and melodic transitions but cherrypick loops.
I didn’t say that.
It’s about OVER USE of the same loops and presets.
So this is irrelevant but apparently you feel the need to make snarky remarks too.
Bye
You’re by far the most rude and snarky person in this whole comment chain.
I mean, you are the one who brought up scientific explanations and are currently trying to defend them…
It was just one example. The other ones are more vague, but even going off the general meaning it’s obvious they’re meant to apply to modern western music and would fail outside of it.
Yeah, ok, I understood that.
It is irrelevant that your quasi-objective standards easily fail when applied to somewhat unconventional music?