Didn’t do much for me. I’m fine with others doing it. I guess i sorta still do it in my own way as well but it’s by really really paying attention to music. Like lie down in a fully black room and only have music. So maybe it is still something I do a lot…I intentionally engage my imagination a lot with free form pointless writing and drawing or just sometimes putting on noise music and spacing out. So that might count but anything typically seen as meditation doesnt do shit for me
Sure, I didn’t mean to say you should still be doing it or anything. I don’t do what I’d consider to be “real meditation” anymore either. What you’re doing sounds cool and I’m glad you get something out of it.
Im sure. I’ve already done all of this and am quite locked into a Marxist materialist view. Cause people are hungry and there is work to be done in the real world.
No. Im saying all of this is irrelevant and useless navel gazing and while you’re pondering ‘What doth life?’ There are real people experiencing real suffering. I dont give a dhit what the meaning of existence is while anyone’s existence is hell. Im saying your priorities are wrong
Ultimately I mostly agree with you, but I think it’s worth considering that some magical belief is a product of suffering and feeling helpless to that suffering, rather than it all being like aristocrats doing alchemical rituals or whatever (but sometimes it’s also that). It’s how some people (misguidedly) try to regain a sense of agency and purpose in their lives, and at least for those people I think it’s our job as Marxists to try to come to them from a standpoint of empathizing and trying to help them have real rather than imagined agency.
Yeah, but when someone is ask fsr gone as OP my patience is empty and even from a tactical standpoint, just not dealing witj their bullshit is the only way. I worked at an organic food store thst made most of its Jmoney selling fake medicine to old people with cancer. They paid the bills depleting people’s wills. It is useless stinkin thinkin that is reserved for those with the time to ponder useless shit. There is work that desperately needs to be done to ensure we have an existence to ponder and im not the most patient person im these regards.
Yeah, my objection might have been inappropriate because OP here is so cagey about communications (what even is “magic”?) that I think it’s fair to write OP off as bad faith. I’ve just known a lot of people like I described, or (by very rough analogy) like the old people who were buying the fake medicine, who are also believing hokum but not from a standpoint of privileged solipsism so much as desperation.
Its the people taking advantage of the desperation peddling this shit and a lot of this literally dates back to 1920s snake oil salesmen and orientalism coming together. It’s very self perpetuating as well, the whole thing is about YOU all the time, your spirit, your enlightenment, your personal journey etc. Its always so self centred
No, I got into this stuff and then decided it was nonsense. Tell me then, what is socially productive about drugs and magic? Who does that feed? How does your self centeredness turned into a delusion which you willingly aide with drugs help anyone at all and can you explain why it isnt an incredibly self centered and anti social focus? I know this bullshit like the back of my hand. Go tell that to a sweatshop laborer and see how universal your truths are you useless fucking hippie. I not only got past your trash ideology I openly resent it. Get a haircut. And give me a real response that addresses what I said instead of this passive above it all crap. Substantiate your claims you lazy fucking coward.
For a bit in my early 20s and then I stopped doing 2 and 3 cause they were silly
stop being galaxybrain and become voidbrain
I was a Discordian for a couple years. Im good.
Nothing wrong with meditation.
Didn’t do much for me. I’m fine with others doing it. I guess i sorta still do it in my own way as well but it’s by really really paying attention to music. Like lie down in a fully black room and only have music. So maybe it is still something I do a lot…I intentionally engage my imagination a lot with free form pointless writing and drawing or just sometimes putting on noise music and spacing out. So that might count but anything typically seen as meditation doesnt do shit for me
Sure, I didn’t mean to say you should still be doing it or anything. I don’t do what I’d consider to be “real meditation” anymore either. What you’re doing sounds cool and I’m glad you get something out of it.
Getting setting out of thing seems to be the point of meditation as far as ive had it explained in any way that makes sense
Silly, eh? Well don’t be so sure.
Im sure. I’ve already done all of this and am quite locked into a Marxist materialist view. Cause people are hungry and there is work to be done in the real world.
oh, you accuse me of being unrealistic now. Well why didn’t you say so in the first place?
No. Im saying all of this is irrelevant and useless navel gazing and while you’re pondering ‘What doth life?’ There are real people experiencing real suffering. I dont give a dhit what the meaning of existence is while anyone’s existence is hell. Im saying your priorities are wrong
Ultimately I mostly agree with you, but I think it’s worth considering that some magical belief is a product of suffering and feeling helpless to that suffering, rather than it all being like aristocrats doing alchemical rituals or whatever (but sometimes it’s also that). It’s how some people (misguidedly) try to regain a sense of agency and purpose in their lives, and at least for those people I think it’s our job as Marxists to try to come to them from a standpoint of empathizing and trying to help them have real rather than imagined agency.
Yeah, but when someone is ask fsr gone as OP my patience is empty and even from a tactical standpoint, just not dealing witj their bullshit is the only way. I worked at an organic food store thst made most of its Jmoney selling fake medicine to old people with cancer. They paid the bills depleting people’s wills. It is useless stinkin thinkin that is reserved for those with the time to ponder useless shit. There is work that desperately needs to be done to ensure we have an existence to ponder and im not the most patient person im these regards.
Yeah, my objection might have been inappropriate because OP here is so cagey about communications (what even is “magic”?) that I think it’s fair to write OP off as bad faith. I’ve just known a lot of people like I described, or (by very rough analogy) like the old people who were buying the fake medicine, who are also believing hokum but not from a standpoint of privileged solipsism so much as desperation.
Its the people taking advantage of the desperation peddling this shit and a lot of this literally dates back to 1920s snake oil salesmen and orientalism coming together. It’s very self perpetuating as well, the whole thing is about YOU all the time, your spirit, your enlightenment, your personal journey etc. Its always so self centred
Sounds to me like you just lack experience. And that’s perfectly ok.
No, I got into this stuff and then decided it was nonsense. Tell me then, what is socially productive about drugs and magic? Who does that feed? How does your self centeredness turned into a delusion which you willingly aide with drugs help anyone at all and can you explain why it isnt an incredibly self centered and anti social focus? I know this bullshit like the back of my hand. Go tell that to a sweatshop laborer and see how universal your truths are you useless fucking hippie. I not only got past your trash ideology I openly resent it. Get a haircut. And give me a real response that addresses what I said instead of this passive above it all crap. Substantiate your claims you lazy fucking coward.