Does anyone have a method of deprogramming liberals who believe in the Uyghur genocide? I have a new friend who is good on Palestine but awful on Xinjiang. Very AP-brained and trusting of western propaganda. He’s well-read and is open to having his ideas challenged, so looking for something well-sourced or he’d probably disregard it. I found a debunking video that came out right after the original Zenz “report” that references a 51-page leaked document released by Zenz. It goes through 6 points and shows how Zenz’s own documents contradicts his claims of human rights abuses. The issue is that it’s from a small creator and I can’t find the referenced document, so I can’t point him directly to the facts and bypass the youtube video, which would likely be seen as insufficient.

This is part 1 of the debunk:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ceb2B5oql8A

  • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    4 months ago

    In addition to the advice that you’ve already received, my suggestion is that you be ready for him to pivot from genocide to “cultural genocide.” Even taking it completely at face value, it’s a ridiculous talking point in the sense that cultural genocide is awful but it is not at all the same thing as actual genocide, yet people say it to avoid looking like they are significantly backtracking when no, these assholes were talking about systemic mass murder before and that just evaporated into thin air.

    I do think the PRC took repressive measures that weren’t all justified, but trying to equate that with genocide with nebulous, vibes based bullshit or sly little word games is unspeakably disgusting.

    • sempersigh [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      9·
      4 months ago

      I mean the worst phase of what was happening in xinjiang occurred in the late 2010s and regardless of whether or not it was excessive; ledditors talk about it as if that period never ended like it is somehow something that has been consistently occurring for the past like 8 years now

      • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        4 months ago

        Also true (see my use of past tense with “took repressive measures”), but I was trying to just focus on one issue that I thought would be productive for steering the conversation and not getting bamboozled.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      7·
      4 months ago

      it’s a ridiculous talking point in the sense that cultural genocide is awful but it is not at all the same thing as actual genocide

      Not to mention that as @AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net said, any serious attempt at “cultural genocide” would probably involve actual genocide because it cannot succeed otherwise.