Does anyone have a method of deprogramming liberals who believe in the Uyghur genocide? I have a new friend who is good on Palestine but awful on Xinjiang. Very AP-brained and trusting of western propaganda. He’s well-read and is open to having his ideas challenged, so looking for something well-sourced or he’d probably disregard it. I found a debunking video that came out right after the original Zenz “report” that references a 51-page leaked document released by Zenz. It goes through 6 points and shows how Zenz’s own documents contradicts his claims of human rights abuses. The issue is that it’s from a small creator and I can’t find the referenced document, so I can’t point him directly to the facts and bypass the youtube video, which would likely be seen as insufficient.
This is part 1 of the debunk:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ceb2B5oql8A
Strongest starting point is asking where all the evidence of genocide is in a country with 80% smartphone ownership and a land size of 1666 million square kilometers.
If Israel can’t prevent evidence of genocide in a land size of 22000 square kilometers and a lower smartphone ownership rate, why believe that China could? Where is all the video evidence of atrocities? Do they believe the Chinese is capable of omnipresent ability to prevent and delete video on people’s phones? Nonsense.
Really start with challenging them to think critically about this. You don’t need massive posts of cited content. You need people to use basic critical thinking. They have seen what evidence a real genocide produces, they can use this experience to realise something is wrong about Xinjiang claims.
Once they do accept that there’s obviously something wrong with that. Then move onto longer cited debunks, it is a much better mental state to begin from.
This was my immediate rebuttal. Israel, with all the power of the US and other Western capitalist regimes couldn’t keep evidence of genocide from flooding the internet. He said something about some video of forced labor camps and I mentioned Zenz and his lack of credibility. He didn’t know of Zenz and said he’d look into it. I’ll get into it more the next time we talk or over text tomorrow. It was a brief interaction before I had to move on to other obligations and I couldn’t put a ton of time into it. I completely agree that the smoking gun is that there aren’t thousands of videos of evidence like we have of what’s happening in Gaza. If he tries to pull the “China has complete control over their internet” thing I’m just going to have to drill him on how that’s literally impossible.
There’s no video of forced labor camps obviously because they don’t exist. The only thing they have is the picture of prisoners being blindfolded while being transferred between prisons and people/prisoners at a drug rehab sitting down listening to a lecture. All other forms of evidence literally all come from US gov employees. Like this https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/
Your friend needs to realize that all media is controlled by the CIA. Case in point, https://www.npr.org/2019/11/25/782549071/leaked-documents-offer-a-peek-inside-chinas-detention-of-uighurs
How is Zenz a China expert? He doesn’t speak mandarin, he can’t read chinese, and he’s only been to China once. Why don’t they tell the audience he is employed by the US gov in a role that exists to attack “communist” countries (Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation)?
And that was an old video of IIRC a pyramid scheme being broken up.
That was a seminar about education opportunities for prison inmates in general, and the picture was from the official website of the program itself which was IIRC a traveling lecture series that went around to inform inmates and their families about different education options.
Let’s see, there was also a blurry video of a factory, except it was just some random factory in Brazil with the Portuguese text on signs still faintly visible.
What about the heinous cum farms
Asking the real questions
Drug trafficking ring I think
100% of white “China critics” don’t speak Mandarin but have found a cottage industry that demands content. That laowhy loser who ran off and got locked out of the country, I like to go into his comments sometimes and ruthlessly mock him because he’s not in China and I am.
This makes my heart smile.
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Brief interactions will be rough with this. Requires a pretty solid longer conversation.