Personally I think it’s silly as hell. Qualia is obviously a biological component of experience… Not some weird thing that science will never be able to put in to words.

I’ve been listening to a lot of psychology podcasts lately and for some reason people seem obsessed with the idea despite you needing to make the same logical leaps to believe it as any sort of mysticism… Maybe I am just tripping idk

  • itsPina [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Yeah philosophically it feels great but it either completely disrupts the laws of thermodynamics or it doesnt… I am leaning toward doesn’t. Maybe Lifes incredibly resilience is the key to its Negentropy. We will simply come up with a new means of living whenever the shit hits the fan. Thats what Bill Gates wants us to believe anyways.

    I 100% guarantee theres some genius Chinese think talk talking about this right now and we will never fucking hear of it. Some dingus on Reddit told me Marxism is dead because Rawlsianism replaced it so I decided to do a deep dive on modern marxist theory and… they be cookin.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      5·
      4 months ago

      Please, for the love of God, learn what entropy actually is and what the laws of thermodynamics actually say before trying to wax lyrical about them. Learn what the term “closed system” means for a start

      • BountifulEggnog [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        5·
        4 months ago

        I am, broadly speaking, less interested in philosophy and more interested in science. I totally agree with Lurkmore’s statement that we are chemical soup and that all life has a nonstop craving for resources. I’m a materialist and panpsychism sounds like nonsense to me, I don’t know how one would even demonstrate such a thing.

        I’m not familiar with the idea of negentropy, all I can really remember about life and entropy was someone explaining to me that life can temporarily create local order, but overall the system (including life) is still heading towards disorder. To get our local bit of order, maybe 1.1x the amount of disorder is caused to sustain us. Life is messy and especially our industrialized society.

        Maybe individually human beings are energy maximizers but can collectively develop “species consciousness” in order to align material interests (i.e. a human society which balances human liberation with ecosystem services, rights of the biosphere, etc)

        Yes, this is essentially what needs to happen. I think its hypothetically possible for that to happen, we overcome desires all the time. Especially with the consequences being so grave. Plus we’re talking a society that is already seeking equality, most good for the most people etc. I’m imagining a very selfless socialist/communist society being able to come together and degrowth and live sustainably.

        If we had overthrown the rich 100 years ago and had global socialism by say the 1970s, yea definitely. I am not optimistic at present that this will materialize in reality.

          • BountifulEggnog [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            5·
            4 months ago

            Every place I see climate news from also has- significantly worse politics then here, I’m glad we agree on the situation.

            You’re completely okay. My headspace kinda, is what it is.

            I know words on the internet mean shitall during the twilight of our species

            I actually quite enjoy it, words online are a good way to spend the twilight of humans. I appreciated talking with you about this too, climate change is one of my most passionate subjects. Tag or DM me anytime :)