NSFW because I’m copying a relevant VCJ meme
Thinking about how my consumption used to subsidize animal abuse, a line of thinking I was directed towards by a vegan in a context of discussing abuse of pets and “work” animals, was a major factor in my becoming a vegan.
I think most of us have encountered carnist and liberal vegan ire when identifying that very hypocrisy, even when the hypocrisy itself is not the focus.
My first question is this:
In a context where nonvegans are attentively engaged in a conversation about dog abuse, how can their enthusiasm and rage over said abuse be realigned to include the animals they enslave and eat?
Saying politely something as impersonal as, “if you feel that way about the violence inflicted on this dog, consider boycotting the industries that sponsor and subsist on the abuse of equally conscious and sentient creatures in numbers so ludicrous you have to use scientific notation to think about them”
seems insufficient because most carnists interpret it as somethjing like “you are as bad as the people who slaughter the animals you try not think about while eating them and you shouldn’t feel bad for this dog”, when what I want to communicate is more like, “there are people whose job is to commit this far worse abuse constantly on an global industrial scale; if you feel this way about a single dog, you might feel good about boycotting said industry”
Is there a general method of kindling empathy out of untargeted libidinal rage?
My second question is this:
Why, in this context, do other vegans feel compelled to defend carnists libidos? Examples like, “don’t be so weird about being vegan”, “don’t reinforce stereotypes about vegans, you’re making us look bad” or “this is really not the time” fall flat to my mind. Comparisons to religious zealots who proselytize door-to-door seem equally illogical, because a philosophy that minimizes exploitation of animals is so fucking germane to a conversation about animal abuse and it would seem to me (tbf,
) that a carnist describing dog abuse as reprehensible is inviting a conversation about minimizing animal abuse, but what do I know?
My third question is this:
Does anybody here have unprecedentedly high charisma and if so, do you encounter the same difficulties as low-C nerds such as myself? Are the liberal vegans right and I should just avoid saying anything?
Thanks for any discussion/advice!
People have compartmentalized the shit out of this and the compartmentalization is entirely sustained by an unstated irrational shared agreement to uphold it. Anyway, if you broach this topic in a way you want to be effective I think it can’t be in a serious way. It has to be in a making-fun way. You don’t want to directly accuse someone of being a hypocrite, and anyway if it’s another westerner we are all hypocritical for caring about literally anything good in the world while murdering everyone who even thinks of not doing slave labor for our treats. However, many people are ignorant of that while not really being ignorant of the cute/food animal compartmentalization. Thus you can poke fun without leaning too hard into the moral superiority from lack of hypocrisy thing. A lot of food animals really are cute and people will empathize with you finding them cute and thus not wanting to kill them.


