• Basic Glitch@sh.itjust.works
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    When you make generalized claims like “Democrats are not the left,” you’re literally claiming that AOC, Sanders, and Mamdani are not the left.

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      as much as I prefer AOC, or Bernie to the average dem, they are at best cautionary tales about fixing a corrupt system from the inside.

      and at best, I would classify them as centrists.

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      Anything that is not their exact flavor of policy is not the left. And anything more is extremism.

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      As democrats are so fond of pointing out every time someone complains about his treatment by the democratic party, Sanders is not a democrat.

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          I see how it is. He’s a democrat when democrats want to falsely claim that they’re worth supporting and an independent when they want to block him.

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            I guess it depends on the Democrat just like it depends on the leftist or the independent voting or refusing to vote for him.

            What do you hope to achieve by voting or not voting for a candidate? Do you hope for at least some progress for society, or do you hope to prove to everyone else how loyal you are to your own political identity?

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              I guess it depends on the Democrat just like it depends on the leftist or the independent voting or refusing to vote for him.

              It depends on how convenient to centrists it is.

              Do you hope for at least some progress for society

              Yes. Unfortunately, that’s never on the ballot, thanks to the two party hegemony. Congratulations.

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        So they don’t pass your purity test, and “nobody should support them.”

        But according to right wing and right of center propaganda they’re radical leftist, and “nobody should support them.”

        It’s pretty neat that you and the right have the exact same messaging.

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          I mean, its not really a purity test. It’s just kind of definitions. The political terms “right” and “left” have meant the same thing since the French Revolution. Democrats are not left wing. We can have a whole bunch of ancillary discussions about whether that means people should or shouldn’t vote for them, which I’m not interested in having, but i struggle to see how one could argue in good faith that the Democrats are left wing. Its really not even clear that Ocasio-Cortez or Sanders are “left wing” since neither seems to oppose private property rights, nor do they advocate for the weakening or abolishment of capitalism - the traditional dividing line of left and right.

          • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            The political terms “right” and “left” have meant the same thing since the French Revolution.

            the weakening or abolishment of capitalism - the traditional dividing line of left and right

            Wasn’t the French revolution just abolishing feudalism and the monarchy?

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          I swear that even full trumpists are less obnoxious on the internet than you blue magas because while they try to choke me with the same capitalist nonesense, they are at least more honest and don’t pretend to be on the left.