I’m not sure how I landed here, so apologies if this is a repost. It’s quite worth the read. If anyone still believes the NYT is worth the paper it’s printed on, this is a great example of why it isn’t.

It’s remarkable, the people you’ll hear from. Teach for even a little while at an expensive institution—the term they tend to prefer is “elite”—and odds are that eventually someone who was a student there, who maybe resided only on the far periphery of your professional orbit, will become one or another kind of famous. At that point, out of the vast and silent ether, messages will come glowing into your inbox one after another. Do you remember this person? they will say. Was he your student? Did you work with him? We’re hoping for some insight—would it be possible for us to talk for a bit?

I taught at a place called Bowdoin College for 16 years, and during the last of those there was a student in attendance you’ve perhaps heard of. His name is Zohran Mamdani. And so, shortly after his startling, spirit-lifting victory in the primary last spring, the gentle flood of inquiries commenced. Word had gotten out not only that he went to Bowdoin—again, a very pricey, very wealthy, quite comprehensively the-thing-that-it-is small liberal arts college on the East Coast—but that, while there, he had majored in something called “Africana Studies.” You can probably see where this is going.

The first few messages wondered if I knew him (I don’t think I did, though I certainly had students who did, and do), if I taught him (possibly? but in truth not that I remembered), but mostly if I could say something about what he might have been reading and doing and studying, there in his time at this little college on the coast of Maine. More than once, the name “Frantz Fanon” was broached—which had the virtue of certain hand-showing clarity.

Emphasis mine. They started with framing that had to be met, no matter how wrong it was.

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    There is something to be said for the incomprehensibility of some academic writing. Usually though that comes from obscure terminology, or struggling to fit all the relevant parts of a thought in to a cohesive sentence. But that sentence is 90% filler, and is structured in a needlessly confusing way.

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      17 hours ago

      If you think this is incomprehensible then the problem is NOT obscure writing.

      i taught at a place called Bowdoin College for 16 years, and during the last of those there was a student in attendance you’ve perhaps heard of. His name is Zohran Mamdani.

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        17 hours ago

        I can comprehend it, it just has a bunch of elements in it’s construction that are not conveying any meaningful information, and are redundant in tone.

        “at a place called” “you’ve perhaps heard of” and “his name is”. Any one of those would have been plenty to add a layer of jovial snark to the tone, all three is like putting a sentence in bold italics with an exclamation mark. It excessive and it forces the use of that very awkward “ of those there”.

        Academic writing, at least In my experience, does the opposite of that kind of thing. It’s painfully dry, overly analytical, and devoid of much in the way of tone.

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            17 hours ago

            I said that academic literature can be incomprehensible.

            Where did I say that this piece is incomprehensible?

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      14 hours ago

      Does anyone remember when people could have a “voice” when writing? Pepperridge Farms remembers.

      But seriously, are LLMs and garbage takes on Xitter messing with the ability to read anything not boiled down to an abysmally dull and bland style?

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        Shit … I’d not seen your handle. This is now exponentially funnier. I do agree, though, that florid writing is what draws the reader in. Sure, you can bang out 12" in AP Style, but no one will remember your name.

        Having a style gives you a name. It’s not a failure.