• snooggums@piefed.world
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    22 hours ago

    In Kansas you can be butt ass naked on the sidewalk as long as you aren’t making it sexual.

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        8 hours ago

        Behave the same way you would with clothes on. Just do things like tending a garden or talking to neighbors.

        Think about it this way: Some guys like their nipples played with and can rub their nipples in public without getting any real attention unless they do it towards kids or something. Why is a bare nipple on a woman automatically sexual just because it is exposed? It isn’t automatically sexual despite a bunch of prudes assuming it is.

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          It would take oh so much conditioning to think like that. You would have to be taught to think like that from the beginning. Society would need one hell of an overhaul.

          I’m afraid to stare in the direction of a clothed woman’s boobs, which often causes me to awkwardly U-turn, because I don’t want the bullshit I had to experience before (someone notices, and gives you comments like “go grab her by the pussy” or other disgusting shit). Even with those societal barriers gone, you would basically need intense therapy to not feel wrong seeing naked people.

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            I’m afraid to stare in the direction of a clothed woman’s boobs

            Staring is generally frowned upon regardless of a person being clothed or unclothed, but one is entirely free to look in a certain direction or do what is comfortable without fear - which includes specifically looking at another person briefly. There are plenty of valid reasons to examine another person and lots of them are entirely innocent.

            someone notices, and gives you comments like “go grab her by the pussy” or other disgusting shit

            I can’t say I’ve ever had that experience, but you don’t have to be uncomfortable if somebody caught you in moment like that.

            you would basically need intense therapy to not feel wrong seeing naked people.

            People have very little reasons to be nude e.g. in modern American society, but it doesn’t have to be weird or sexual. The laws obviously need to catch up first and foremost, but I feel like there’s nothing wrong with being naked - even if a person has more ahem overt sexual characteristics that others take note of.

            The thing about nudity is that people generally gradually get used to it. The differences become less impactful after a certain point. Sure it takes time, and people who have issues with their appearance and body may have greater barriers, but I don’t feel like intense therapy is needed for most.

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              6 hours ago

              I will just stare blankly with my thoughts on something else, and get accused of gazing. That’s the thing, I have to go out of my way not to stare at a person, which often means walking awkwardly, sometimes hitting something I was not looking at 🤷‍♂️

              I will pretty much only gaze at a woman if pressured, and I can’t even keep that up. The programming is strong that this is very wrong.

              TL;DR: I hate male company as a result, in an ironic twist.

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                Well if I was with you in public, I’d definitely be supporting you to feel more comfortable in your skin. Regardless of the broader topic of nudity and all that, I hope you can find someone who can help you out in that way or generally hope you can make a breakthrough somehow in this area.

                I admit I’ve dealt with this myself and I had the same intense fear growing up due to bullying, but we have to learn to give ourselves a break. I feel like a lot of people forget that we are all mammals - physical beings that are occupying a space. Sometimes we do have sexual desires or interests, but as long as we aren’t intending on making things sexual or awkward - usually it’s all a-okay. If we offend someone else with our gaze or otherwise make them uncomfortable, sometimes the best thing is to just apologize and play it off.