Apple has generally not had ads anywhere. However in recent years they are placing ads in more and more locations, making the user experience worse.
Do you disagree with that statement?
I don’t disagree with that statement in regards to advertising, but the level of control Apple has held over all of their product lines more or less made the situation inevitable (to say nothing about the likely data collection and ecosystem restrictions away from customers’ eyes).
You know it makes you look petty and stupid when you attack Apple in a way where you’re pretending every other companies issues are also theirs, right? Apple hasn’t had issues with ads in the UI before, and I’m pretty sure they still don’t (not sure what OC meant but am interested to learn). Yes, it’s a walled garden. Everyone knows it’s a walled garden. You aren’t contributing to the conversation by pointing that fact out.
As I wrote in my other comment: I have seen ads in settings, they recently put an ad for their F1 movie in the wallet app and don’t get me started on the App store.
Ah yes, I forgot about the F1 movie ad. As for the app store, yeah that’s been a mess for a long time but as are most content spaces. I don’t do discovery in the store itself so it hasn’t bothered me.
The issue with a walled garden is that abuse is inevitable. There is no team within Apple that is advocating on behalf of the user experience, there is merely “Okay, what’s our market share and user habits?” and “Alright, how can we further monetize and lead customers towards spending more?”.
The walled garden experience within Apple isn’t monstrous or equivalent to ad-ridden crap out the gate by it’s mere existence, but when you cede that level of control over, it will inevitability be enshittified. When you chose an Apple product, you are betting on a publicly traded company chasing profit margins to not abuse you in the lifetime of your devices. It’s a poor wager.
With ios 26 they f-ed up safari real bad & other browsers are worse performing / laggy even though they are also safari.
So yes, I trusted Apple to not mess with anything too important & they have not for the 5 years I’ve been using Apple products, but now that is over. Guess Android is back on the menu for my next device, or maybe even a Jolla Phone.
None of this is untrue about Android though, which is now being locked down further. Meanwhile, AltStore PAL is expanding to Australia, Japan, Brazil and the UK over the next few months.
That’s definitely a welcome development for sure (albeit only due to regulatory compliance).
For sure, Google’s attempts to try and slam the Android ecosystem suck (definitely don’t want to paint them as “good guys” compared to apple overall), but luckily there are communities and manufacturers trying to prevent the backsliding.
The most public example would be GrapheneOS (what I’m currently using), but there are other projects like the Fairphone and Pinephone that are currently being iterated on. Heck, GrapheneOS is speaking to an Android OEM right now to make hardware not tied to Google’s ecosystem (Pixel line).
The best case scenario is both sides improve: Apple’s altstores become more common and widespread due to compliance with the EU, and Android users fork from Google’s status quo and have an escape hatch from the enshittification.
Depends on what you define as the OS. They put ads for their F1 movie in the Wallet app recently. I’ve seen ads for their services in the settings menu.
Apple was the safe haven, but they too are going that route…
ROFL Apple was never the safe haven, it was always just a tidy and fashionable cage.
Apple has generally not had ads anywhere. However in recent years they are placing ads in more and more locations, making the user experience worse. Do you disagree with that statement?
I don’t disagree with that statement in regards to advertising, but the level of control Apple has held over all of their product lines more or less made the situation inevitable (to say nothing about the likely data collection and ecosystem restrictions away from customers’ eyes).
Then i guess we agree, my comment was about ads, not all kinds of other stuff.
You know it makes you look petty and stupid when you attack Apple in a way where you’re pretending every other companies issues are also theirs, right? Apple hasn’t had issues with ads in the UI before, and I’m pretty sure they still don’t (not sure what OC meant but am interested to learn). Yes, it’s a walled garden. Everyone knows it’s a walled garden. You aren’t contributing to the conversation by pointing that fact out.
As I wrote in my other comment: I have seen ads in settings, they recently put an ad for their F1 movie in the wallet app and don’t get me started on the App store.
Ah yes, I forgot about the F1 movie ad. As for the app store, yeah that’s been a mess for a long time but as are most content spaces. I don’t do discovery in the store itself so it hasn’t bothered me.
I rarely use the app store either, but it amazes me that Apple thinks that is just fine…
The issue with a walled garden is that abuse is inevitable. There is no team within Apple that is advocating on behalf of the user experience, there is merely “Okay, what’s our market share and user habits?” and “Alright, how can we further monetize and lead customers towards spending more?”.
The walled garden experience within Apple isn’t monstrous or equivalent to ad-ridden crap out the gate by it’s mere existence, but when you cede that level of control over, it will inevitability be enshittified. When you chose an Apple product, you are betting on a publicly traded company chasing profit margins to not abuse you in the lifetime of your devices. It’s a poor wager.
With ios 26 they f-ed up safari real bad & other browsers are worse performing / laggy even though they are also safari.
So yes, I trusted Apple to not mess with anything too important & they have not for the 5 years I’ve been using Apple products, but now that is over. Guess Android is back on the menu for my next device, or maybe even a Jolla Phone.
None of this is untrue about Android though, which is now being locked down further. Meanwhile, AltStore PAL is expanding to Australia, Japan, Brazil and the UK over the next few months.
That’s definitely a welcome development for sure (albeit only due to regulatory compliance).
For sure, Google’s attempts to try and slam the Android ecosystem suck (definitely don’t want to paint them as “good guys” compared to apple overall), but luckily there are communities and manufacturers trying to prevent the backsliding.
The most public example would be GrapheneOS (what I’m currently using), but there are other projects like the Fairphone and Pinephone that are currently being iterated on. Heck, GrapheneOS is speaking to an Android OEM right now to make hardware not tied to Google’s ecosystem (Pixel line).
The best case scenario is both sides improve: Apple’s altstores become more common and widespread due to compliance with the EU, and Android users fork from Google’s status quo and have an escape hatch from the enshittification.
What do you mean? I have not seen ads in the OS itself…?
Depends on what you define as the OS. They put ads for their F1 movie in the Wallet app recently. I’ve seen ads for their services in the settings menu.