Incredible.
Jack Posobiec references the earliest version of antifa -- the anti-fascists in the Weimar Republic who were opposed to the Nazi Party -- as the bad guys.
If the colonial empires existed today, what would you call them?
Orwell wrote an essay on Kipling that applied the label of “pre-fascist” to him so feel free to use that instead. For the sake of conversation we can then agree that anti-pre-fascists are antifa or close enough. You could also insist on pre-antifa, that’s pretty catchy.
After all, lesser evil empires fighting fascists still earn the title of antifascist, do they not?
Even if they, say, starve, imprison, and use “forced labor” on millions of their own citizens as a form of political control.
Otherwise you’ll find that pretty much the only people that deserve the term of antifa are anarchists, which I’m also fine with, welcome to the right side of socialism.
After all, lesser evil empires fighting fascists still earn the title of antifascist, do they not?
No, they absolutely do not. Wtf.
Lesser-evilist brainrot is now getting applied to history? Am I supposed to look at the Punic Wars or the Mongol invasion of China and label one side as fascist and the other side as antifa? Is this the point that discourse has reached now?
Christ, lesser-evilist ideology needs to have a stake driven through it’s heart yesterday. You fail history class forever.
As long we’re all being consistent then and agree that only anarchists are antifa, because the Maoists and Stalinists sure don’t count as antifascist in your definition. We’ll also accept the kind of Marxists the Soviets and CCP ended up killing too.
Or just about anyone that’s actually shot a Nazi in the face, statistically mostly conscripts of lesser evil empires.
Bruh you just said that slaving colonial empires are antifascist. I don’t give a shit what you think about “Stalinists” or Maoists, go read a book and educate yourself and stop talking nonsense before expecting anyone to take your opinion on anything at all seriously.
The Soviets and Maoists are also slaving empires. That’s just a historical fact, mister “read a book.”
Is that so? What’s your source that slavery was legal in the USSR and PRC? Let me guess, “I made it up.”
Like I said, I’m fine not calling them antifa.
The fact that you even suggested it is insanity.
Particularly the Maoists because let’s be real, they made the Kuomintang do all the work in WW2.
Lmao, would this be the KMT whose leader had to be kidnapped by his own guards because he kept trying to collaborate with the Japanese instead of fighting them?
Every single word that comes out of your mouth is an embarrassment. You are ignorant to the point of anti-intellectualism. You get things wrong left and right because you don’t even care about the facts, you just care about attacking me, over something completely irrelevant to what the discussion was about. I guess you’re probably just trying to farm meaningless internet points from people in your camp but if you think you’re actually presenting any sort of challenge to my beliefs, like I said, all you’re doing is embarrassing yourself, if anything, discrediting your own side with your ignorance.
Lol, might as well ask you what your sources are for the Soviets being Marxists because there’s even less evidence of that than them being slavers, considering that no actual Marxist would enslave someone or set up a Jewish gulag state.
Now the academic well on forced labor in China is pretty poisoned these days since they still, you know, exist concurrently with modern American fascist propaganda orgs, but here’s some of what you know damn well is the truth anyways:
Replying to you cause I’m not feeling tankies in my notifications today, but holy shit.
Like I said, I’m fine not calling them antifa.
The fact that you even suggested it is insanity.
Not recognizing the clear bait for “China isn’t antifascist” and biting hard on it. It wasn’t even subtle with the forced labor comment but they teed themself up anyway, and still didn’t get it afterwards.
I’m endlessly amused and baffled by tankies’ inability to actually understand what they’re reading.
So, ignoring all the other stuff you got wrong and ignored and hyper focusing on a technicality, got it.
There is a significant difference from the systemic form of chattel slavery used in the US pre-civil war and the use of forced labor in prisons. Like at that point you might as well argue that PoC don’t have a particular claim to have been oppressed because white people go to prison sometimes which means that they’ve technically been enslaved too.
The Civil War still liberated a ton of people, even if the system that followed was far from perfect. Likewise, when the Russian and Chinese revolutions ended serfdom, it was a major step in the right direction - even though Western “leftists” will never forgive them for it.
If the colonial empires existed today, what would you call them?
Orwell wrote an essay on Kipling that applied the label of “pre-fascist” to him so feel free to use that instead. For the sake of conversation we can then agree that anti-pre-fascists are antifa or close enough. You could also insist on pre-antifa, that’s pretty catchy.
After all, lesser evil empires fighting fascists still earn the title of antifascist, do they not?
Even if they, say, starve, imprison, and use “forced labor” on millions of their own citizens as a form of political control.
Otherwise you’ll find that pretty much the only people that deserve the term of antifa are anarchists, which I’m also fine with, welcome to the right side of socialism.
No, they absolutely do not. Wtf.
Lesser-evilist brainrot is now getting applied to history? Am I supposed to look at the Punic Wars or the Mongol invasion of China and label one side as fascist and the other side as antifa? Is this the point that discourse has reached now?
Christ, lesser-evilist ideology needs to have a stake driven through it’s heart yesterday. You fail history class forever.
As long we’re all being consistent then and agree that only anarchists are antifa, because the Maoists and Stalinists sure don’t count as antifascist in your definition. We’ll also accept the kind of Marxists the Soviets and CCP ended up killing too.
Or just about anyone that’s actually shot a Nazi in the face, statistically mostly conscripts of lesser evil empires.
Bruh you just said that slaving colonial empires are antifascist. I don’t give a shit what you think about “Stalinists” or Maoists, go read a book and educate yourself and stop talking nonsense before expecting anyone to take your opinion on anything at all seriously.
The Soviets and Maoists are also slaving empires. That’s just a historical fact, mister “read a book.”
Like I said, I’m fine not calling them antifa.
Particularly the Maoists because let’s be real, they made the Kuomintang do all the work in WW2.
Why aren’t you?
Is that so? What’s your source that slavery was legal in the USSR and PRC? Let me guess, “I made it up.”
The fact that you even suggested it is insanity.
Lmao, would this be the KMT whose leader had to be kidnapped by his own guards because he kept trying to collaborate with the Japanese instead of fighting them?
Every single word that comes out of your mouth is an embarrassment. You are ignorant to the point of anti-intellectualism. You get things wrong left and right because you don’t even care about the facts, you just care about attacking me, over something completely irrelevant to what the discussion was about. I guess you’re probably just trying to farm meaningless internet points from people in your camp but if you think you’re actually presenting any sort of challenge to my beliefs, like I said, all you’re doing is embarrassing yourself, if anything, discrediting your own side with your ignorance.
Lol, might as well ask you what your sources are for the Soviets being Marxists because there’s even less evidence of that than them being slavers, considering that no actual Marxist would enslave someone or set up a Jewish gulag state.
Here you go anyways:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43658105?seq=1
Now the academic well on forced labor in China is pretty poisoned these days since they still, you know, exist concurrently with modern American fascist propaganda orgs, but here’s some of what you know damn well is the truth anyways:
https://laogairesearch.org/laogai-system/
Unless you’d like to explain why prison labor is only slavery when Americans do it
Replying to you cause I’m not feeling tankies in my notifications today, but holy shit.
Not recognizing the clear bait for “China isn’t antifascist” and biting hard on it. It wasn’t even subtle with the forced labor comment but they teed themself up anyway, and still didn’t get it afterwards.
I’m endlessly amused and baffled by tankies’ inability to actually understand what they’re reading.
The strategy of “say stupid shit while signaling to the in group that you’re on their side” works very effectively if all you care about is upvotes.
“Look at the ratio 🤣🤣🤣 lol so what if you couldn’t back up anything, there’s more of us on this platform so the tankie got owned 🤣🤣🤣”
So, ignoring all the other stuff you got wrong and ignored and hyper focusing on a technicality, got it.
There is a significant difference from the systemic form of chattel slavery used in the US pre-civil war and the use of forced labor in prisons. Like at that point you might as well argue that PoC don’t have a particular claim to have been oppressed because white people go to prison sometimes which means that they’ve technically been enslaved too.
The Civil War still liberated a ton of people, even if the system that followed was far from perfect. Likewise, when the Russian and Chinese revolutions ended serfdom, it was a major step in the right direction - even though Western “leftists” will never forgive them for it.
Ok buddy “Marxist”