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      • GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 天前

        He rarely throws insults and is always ready to cite sources (albeit biased ones). He seems to want to argue in good faith.

        The problem is he’s wrong about many things, but thinks he’s correct all the time and is quite smug about it as well. Now add in this and he’s no different from his friends.

        • stickly@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          18 小时前

          Cowbee’s public facing account has incredible sea-lioning technique. Constantly asking for evidence and backpedaling to his own sources (far beyond merely biased) and picking apart some minor phrasing to avoid facing a solid argument. You can link official CCP/USSR/RT/etc sources refuting his claims and he’ll keep trundling along, unperturbed.

          If you ever get a tankie to back into “well you just don’t understand [dialectics/theory]” you can take that as waving a white flag. There’s no such thing as an honest exchange of ideas with any of them.

          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
            4·
            14 小时前

            you should ask them, have the ever lifted russia and china. or tell them to live there if they love it so much.

  • PugJesus@piefed.socialEnglish
    32·
    2 天前

    “Nothing I love more than giving the far-right Israeli government the excuse it desperately wanted to genocide Gaza! Critical support for the PEOPLE’S Zionist-Funded Catspaw of Hamas!”

    Putting aside the extremely dubious military value of the raid (which, as has been pointed out, largely resulted in the massacre and kidnapping of civilians rather than the pursuit of serious military objectives, including UN-verified sexual assault that is denied by multiple admins on the Fediverse ), celebrating what can be seen even under the most charitable terms as an overwhelming strategic failure is… strange.

    It’s like Confederates celebrating Pickett’s Charge.

    • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      26·
      2 天前

      I can tell you from experience that Cowbee is by far the most abusive person to argue with online I have ever encountered. And I love arguing online so I’ve met a lot. I blocked them a long time ago and seeing them in a screenshot still makes me shudder. Terrible humans

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        2·
        14 小时前

        i used to, on reddit, but i realize it only gets you reported and banned down the line, by a vindictive user.

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
        12·
        2 天前

        Cowbee is frustrating, but he’s easy to counter once you realise his spiel.

        Extremeists rely heavily on gish-gallop, bombarding you with nonsense. You need to focus on the weakest claim, point out the bias or flaw in the source, and play for neutrality and impartiality; they’ll crumble every single time.

        For example, when presented with an obviously biased source like Prolewiki or Redsails, or whatever copy-paste nonsense they have, ask for something more neutral and professional in tone, such as Reuters, AP News, or a neutral article.

        • rustyfish@piefed.worldEnglish
          14·
          2 天前

          You are biased, your source is biased, I am intimidated by BBC, here is a far more reliable source from suckingstrongmansdick.slop that shows the T-14 Armata will solve world hunger.

          Or something along those lines. I try from time to time. But am very quick to give up. So I do my part by making fun of them and donate to a good cause, which somehow makes them sooooooo angry. I wonder why.

          • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            15·
            2 天前

            One time I was asked to provide a non-Western source on ethnic cleansing in Xianjiang, (because apparently everything I was saying was straight from the US state deparment) I provided an Al-Jazeera article which apparently wasn’t good enough because it only referenced a UN report. In this same thread I was linked a video about Chinese democracy that came straight from CCP-controlled media lol

            • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
              2·
              14 小时前

              tankies and conservatives must be sharing notes, on where they can frame thier argument, and sources. i know they dont like each other, but they post the same way, argue the same way.

            • rustyfish@piefed.worldEnglish
              6·
              1 天前

              I had something similar, but somehow worse. It was in the very early days of the API migration and the Tiananmen Square massacre came up somewhere on lemmy. Someone from grad did what they do best and postet an unintelligible word salad followed by a link which “explains it all” how much we are feed western lies. I clicked it and oh boy.

              The website looked like babys first HTML project. Everything was pink. Not the calming, 70s pink. It was a fuck your eyeballs pink. And there was this seemingly endless list of hyperlinks. Some english, some chinese. I picked a link that looked the least like it would give me or my pc AIDS and I ended up with a youtube video of a chinese guy in a dimly lit room talking, into what I think was a 1990s webcam, about how he was there in Beijing in 1989 and how he came across this sketchy western dude who told him he was an CIA agent and he was planing a bloodbath for the protests. He apparently told this to everyone who was willing to listen and then vanished into the shadowrealm or something.

              I ended my excursion into vatnik wonderland disturbed. Knowing that I live on a planet on which there are millions of people who look at this and go: “I KNEW IT!”

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
            7·
            2 天前

            That is their response, yeah, fortunately you can point out that liberal or western sources are transparent in their reporting and then ask why eastern sources like from China or Russia, are not transparent

            • sqgl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              22 小时前

              (Western) media could be a lot more transparent by linking to the sources. It rarely happens. Often it looks like they do but then you click on the links and it just takes you to another one of their news stories.

              They are afraid you will leave their site.

        • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          8·
          2 天前

          Well maybe you’re better than me but I had a terrible time. I like to have some baseline respect when arguing, and I was basically told I’m the worst person imaginable because I didn’t fully answer every single paragraph in both their essay-length comments they left on each of my comments.

      • sqgl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        1 天前

        The flag has the triangle pointing right, the Nazis and Hamas have it pointing down. What a disingenuous Wikipedia entry.

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
        15·
        2 天前

        Did you know Gaza doesn’t teach the holocaust? That seems like a big red flag to me, pun intended.

        And the president of Palestine also has a doctorate in Holocaust Denialism and has made repeated claims about Nazi Germany not being all that bad? Casting doubt on the six million jews figure.

        And their children’s media even teaching kids about “wiping out the jews”

        Or it’s just referring to the flag, sure. If so, why are they pinging Gaza’s enemies with Gaza’s own ethnic identity (the red triangle meaning arab)? That seems really odd to me.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
            16·
            2 天前

            nothing here states support of israel’s actions.

            only clear examples of antisemitism within the region.

            this may come as a shock to you, brace yourself, but not everything is black and white. As an anarchist, you should know better. You should also edit your comment as it’s too close to being antisemitic, which is against the no hate-speech rules.

            • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              5·
              2 天前

              I think Envy’s response was over the top but to be fair here, you’re the one who started with black-and-white discourse by putting anything remotely related to Palestine/Gaza into the antisemitism box. I wish you would just acknowledge that you posted misinformation, it’s not a big deal.

              • PugJesus@piefed.socialEnglish
                7·
                2 天前

                I think Envy’s response was over the top but to be fair here, you’re the one who started with black-and-white discourse by putting anything remotely related to Palestine/Gaza into the antisemitism box.

                … that Hamas is antisemitic is not exactly a shocking revelation. The red triangle remains controversial and the connection to the Holocaust is not easily dismissed - not least because the inverted red triangle as a stand-alone symbol had very little currency in modern discourse before Hamas started using it to mark Israeli targets.

                • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  2·
                  1 天前

                  You’re kinda proving my point. Whether or not Hamas is antisemitic says absolutely nothing about whether the symbol is.

                  Let’s create our own reality where symbols mean something else so we can demonize the people we hate better! Yay, now we’ve reached tankie-levels of campism.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
                4·
                2 天前

                oh, no, you misunderstand me.

                I’m suggesting it’s more likely that the red arrow Hamas uses is referring to the holocaust instead of the arab identity. Why would they highlight targets in their propaganda videos with their own ethnic identity when they have an extensive history of antisemitism?

                • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  2·
                  1 天前

                  No I understood you. I know you’re suggesting that, and your source is that it looks similar to a symbol that most people don’t even know and that wasn’t antisemitic to begin with because it was used for a variety of political prisoners.

                  Look you can cast doubt on what Hamas was thinking internally, by all means. But the generally accepted origin (which is what matters) is the Palestinian flag. So when you act like this symbol is definitely a symbol of antisemitism you’re stooping to tankie-level campist discourse and spreading misinformation.

            • sqgl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              4·
              1 天前

              Yet the person probably complains about Jews labeling any criticism of Israel as being antisemitism.

              By the way, perhaps a topic for another day but Zionism is merely the opinion that Jews deserve their own ethno state in the Levant (surrounded by Muslim ethno states).

              By using the word as a slur betrays the ProPal antisemitism which has been hush hush amongst the global Left until now.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
                2·
                18 小时前

                Funnily enough neo-nazis (well before this conflict) have always used zionist as a dog whistle to mean jew

                it doesn’t surprise me to see progressives latching onto antisemitism

                • sqgl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  3·
                  16 小时前

                  It is I think partially attributable to the now debunked Protocol of the Elders of Zion which asserted that Jews secretly control the world. My housemate actually stated “All Jews are rich though, aren’t they” 🤦‍♂️

                  There is also the (understandable IMO) White Westerner guilt. The more productive way to alleviate the guilt is not to always unquestionably take on board every complaint of brown people, but do things like Aaron Swartz did: he kind-of died trying to share a library of academic papers with the entire world for free (although he was Jewish).

                  I see there are a lot of Anarchists in this community and none of us support the expansion of settlements in the West Bank. That is good but I wish there was more outright condemnation here and in the news in general. How are Gazans meant to trust the same won’t happen to them soon especially under Trump’s oversight? Instead there is a firehose of Gaza hyperbole distracting from this sticking point.

            • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
              6·
              2 天前

              user seems to have deleted their account of a year or two old. very bizarre, guess they had a moment of realisation that they were antisemitic afterall

  • flandish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    2 天前

    to be honest: fuck israel and zionism, and I hope all the people supporting the genocide before the 7th were able to find their US passports and get back home safely.