• 8uurg@lemmy.world
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    Not this guy, don’t get it mixed up.

    I might be missing something, I am unsure how your comment about the VVD relates to this minister, as he is part of NSC, not VVD.

    For clarity: I interpret your comment as a statement that this minister (who has stepped down) to not have integrity.

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      That’s exactly right. I know he’s from NSC. Stepping down when you get zero room to maneuver isn’t integrity, it’s forced. And he dragged his feet doing something for Gaza every step of the way as well, it’s not like he was helping them meaningfully anyways. I am pinning this on VVD completely. NSC is done for, they’re going to 0. What a clown show

      Edit: Let me be clearer. Veldkamp stepped down but that doesn’t make him one of the good guys. The remark “at least he has integrity” is not warranted

      I’m bringing in VVD because I blame this on their blocking everything. Their frame of “NSC walks away because they don’t take responsibility” is preposterous

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        Thanks for the clarification, I don’t disagree, I just couldn’t completely follow the argument being made.

        NSC to me is an odd party. NSC, or their programme (in so far that existed), is and has been incompatible with this entire government from the get-go. The fact that they have essentially disappeared is due to this, and the fact they essentially did not have any power to change this government whatsoever. Even small steps based on their moral compass were met with hostility from the other parties. I agree that this isn’t NSC’s responsibility: this latter part is the other parties doing. NSC’s biggest failure lies in working together in the first place.

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        I am not saying he is a good guy or a bad guy. I am saying that stepping down used to be the normal thing to do if you failed to achieve the goals of your post. That doesn’t happen anymore. In modern days, if politicians fail, they blame someone else. Than they continue failing their post and the people until everything collapses.

        That’s what I mean with integrity. He failed his post and took responsibility and stepped down. And I think, or I hope, that’s what NSC means when they say they want to reform politics.