While the material reality that results from their shitty ideology results in the same shit we see today but with all the bourgeois concessions to the working class stripped from the bourgeois State to maximize the profits of the the ruling class.
Also some nerd did something similar to the sawdust in rice crispies test but with paper towls in spaghetti sauce obviously its not vegan nor is the guy generally a PC streamer, but the wild science tests he does certainly keeps my attention.
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Yeah but then consumers can choose not to buy the one with sawdust. What’s that? No company makes it without sawdust? That’s fine then you can just start your own business that makes it without sawdust. What’s that? You can’t afford the capital investment to do that? Well that’s because you didn’t work hard enough. Just start a business and then you can afford to start a business. Duh!
I’ve had this conversation several times.
Also the variant that’s like
Them: “the companies will compete”
Me: “what if they decide to form a cartel or whatever instead of competing?”
Them: “that’s illegal”
Me: “says who? How?”
They don’t even need to form a cartel! One company puts sawdust in their rice krispies, another puts arsenic in, another puts the blood of orphans in. You pick the sawdust one. The “free market” has decided sawdust belongs in rice krispies.
But what if another compa - no there’s rat shit in those.
The market choice ideology only works if there’s an infinite variety of products covering every possible combination of traits. And even then, it requires somehow people can find the one they want through all of that (infinite time and information I guess).
Imagine a perfectly spherical consumer moving through the frictionless vacuum of the market…
The irony of libertarianism is that it requires each individual consumer to have more knowledge of consumer products than the government, who for some reason can not have enough information to run the economy. I think they just assume that bad outcomes are fine and it’s trying to get good outcomes that is the sin.
Libertarianism only works if you have a central government that enforces laws. Which means it doesn’t work at all
I’d they do illegal things you can just take them to court and sue them
okay but how do they accept the authority of the court?
we’ll we’d have to jointly agree on one
so what if they don’t acknowledge any?
we’ll we’d have to jointly agree on one
They will say if your sawdust-free product is valued by tHe MaRkEt, then raising capital won’t be a problem.
Even if you take that as true, if capital doesn’t think there will be a sufficient market, then it won’t get funded. While a libertarian may not see the problem with this, we now have decades of evidence about how, under capitalism, we often have harmful products (to humans, the environment, or both) without any other realistic options.
Okay, let’s say I do what they say I have to. Being pissed off about there being so much sawdust in all the rice crispy treats I decide to do something about it. I work very hard for ten years, denying myself any creature comforts, in order to save up enough money to start my own rice crispy treat factory. Each night is spend studying the rice crispy treat manufacturing and marketing process in detail.
Most new businesses fail within the first year, but not mine. Unlike these failing people, who deserves to suffer because they are stupid and lazy, I am very intelligent and hardworking and since the system is fair and rewards these things I manage to build SoyViking’s Rice Crispy Treats Without Any Sawdust In Them into a viable business that occupy a niche position on the rice crispy treat market.
I did it! As the hero in an Ayn Rand novel I gained succes by applying my unbreakable will. I finally have the option of eating rice crispy treats without any sawdust in them.
But I also want bread without any sawdust in it, water without any shit in it, news media without any imperialism in them, websites without any ads on them, etc., etc. I have to start businesses and be successful in thousands of industries just to escape capitalist enshittification in daily life.
This sounds extremely feasible.
Will there be money without a state? No. Ancaps hypothesize a society where everyone works for goldbut never say why businesses and workers want gold (whenever there is a hyperinflation crisis, people turn to Dollars and Euros which are state currency, not gold).
In reality, gangs with guns will take over/‘protect’ businesses who will pay workers in company scrip which can only be used in company stores or in kind (workers who are forced to work for survival). There won’t be much in the way of new investments. In our current form of capitalism, biz take loans from banks, but what will ancap society lend in? Company scrips? But the company has to be large enough, and it’s still a fiat “currency”.
That’s the core of Mises ideology, that because they might miss one tiny detail, you can never use real world examples to evaluate any political economy and you can only use “logic” exercises to determine if they work or not. Freebasing idealism.
Dude walked away with the conclusion toilet paper is better for thickening your spaghetti sauce than paper towels so yeah you right.
i remember seeing somebody did sawdust in bread and tricked their friends in agreeing to be the test subjects
The book referenced by Marx about the “sophistications” of foodstuffs is… in French. But a similar one is quite the read:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=GlQ5AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&hl=fr#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Noted, I’ll have to take a look at that sometime
I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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