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The US president added that he “can do anything I want” with Brussels’ $600 billion worth of pledged investments
Archived version: https://archive.is/20250805165341/https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/trump-threatens-eu-with-35-tariff-if-investment-pledge-falls-through/
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Unless there is some truly apocalyptic behind the scenes geopolitics realignment on the table here, we must cut them off. Call their bluff. Europe must have the courage to say that enough is enough. Yeah, short term we might have some price turmoil (again), but we can’t live like this.
OTOH agree to all the terms, and then just don’t follow through with them. Because, that’s his MO and it would be absolutely ridiculous.
There is a indirect cost to superficially placating him as well, since you’re helping him build the image of himself winning every negotiation, but yes, I agree this is also a valid option.
This is just a short term solution. we still are going to to be living in fear that at some point someone might tell him that nobody is abiding by the deals
Yes, then when he’s outraged you make up news stories to the contrary and then he will lock onto that instead of facts.
He has the memory of a goldfish
This is why appeasement doesn’t work.
Agreed! Handing him easy wins only makes him thirsty for more easy wins.
Handing him easy wins…
I don’t think he’s winning or has wun anything. Do you?
All I see is a looming US recsession, weakening dollar and Worldtrade.
And yes, hopefully the rest of the world doesn’t get drawn into the psychopathical hole, made of the severe consequences of the most pathetic POTUS ever. Beating his own previous horrendous presidential performace, is the only win he’s had imo.
He got an easy political win though. He nominally got a “deal” (even if the consequences are nefarious) that make it look like the US won and that europe submitted
Only to the child-like view of his idiot base and his naive child like entourage. No reasonable person could come to that conclusion.
But is that not what actually counts? He doesn’t actually get money or power from how the economy does, it’s from how it’s perceived by his population and whether his backers are satisfied.
And even if his actions do hurt his own country’s economy, they also hurt other countries’ economies, so they’re still effective tools for coercion if you don’t actually care that much for the numbers.
I see your point, but saying chocolate rations are up while you and everyone you know lives go to shit probably still counts for something.
Well… he got what he wanted from the EU, didn’t he?
I agree that he wants stupid things and that his policies will most probably backfire, but that’s a different issue.
Not only the so-called agreement with von del Leyen was a PR win: IIUC its only consequence was that US tariffs went from 10% to 15% and that the EU put away its “bazooka” while promising investments in the US (BTW I honestly don’t understand how that would work… it’s not like von der Leyen has a sovereign fund that she can direct to invest in the US) and to buy more US stuff.
You‘d think European leaders of all people understood this simple fact when dealing with a fascist.
Yeah. TBH I question their loyalty, it’s hard to believe that so many people who are at the top of the formal political hierarchy are actually that bad at politics. I used to think that the EU was powerful enough that most of its politicians were at least bought by its own billionaires. Though I suppose it’s possible that EU billionaires want in on what Trump is doing.
The Auckland University in New Zealand published an economic model what the U.S. tariffs mean (the model is updated at 31 July.
TLDR:
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Unsurprisingly, the tariffs reduce the countries’ outputs everywhere, but the economist describe the U.S. tariffs as an “economic own goal”.
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U.S. annual GDP decreases by 0.36% which equates to US$108.2 billion or $861 per U.S. household per year. Only Switzerland’s GDP decrease is higher at $1,215 per household.
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In dollar terms, GDP decreases are relatively large for China, the European Union, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan. Australia and the UK slightly gain from the tariffs, primarily due to the relatively low tariffs levied on these countries. Despite facing relatively low additional tariffs, New Zealand’s GDP decreases by 0.15% ($204 per household) as many of its agricultural exports compete with Australian commodities, which are subject to an even lower tariff.
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The U.S. tariffs will compel foreign producers to lower their prices. But these price decreases only partially offset the cost of the tariffs, so US consumers pay higher prices. U.S. businesses also pay more for parts and materials. Ultimately, these higher prices hurt the US economy.
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The tariffs decrease U.S. merchandise imports by $486.7 billion. But as they drive up the cost of U.S. supply chains and shift more workers and resources into industries that compete with imports, away from other parts of the economy, they also decrease US merchandise exports by $451.1 billion.
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Trump said…
" So they paid $600 billion. And because of that, I reduced their tariffs from 30% down to 15%(…) They gave us $600 billion that we can invest in anything we want,(…) I can do anything I want with it."
Thus spoke the Orange Toddler King of BS.
This is so stupid though, because even if EU companies would follow through and buy that much US energy, that money would end up with Big US Oil, not with the US govt, much less Trump.
You think Big US Oil isn’t sponsoring him?
Doesn’t mean that he can “do anything he wants” with their whole revenue.
What Rump says:
“Well, then they pay tariffs of 35%,” Trump told CNBC on Tuesday, when asked what action he would take if the EU failed to uphold its side of the EU-US trade deal.
As part of the agreement, most EU exporters will face a flat 15% US tariff – half the 30% previously threatened by Trump. In return, the EU pledged to lower its own tariffs on various goods and to boost purchases of US energy by $750 billion over the remaining three and a half years of Trump’s presidency.
“They brought down their tariffs. So they paid $600 billion. And because of that, I reduced their tariffs from 30% down to 15%,” Trump said. “And a couple of countries came: ‘How come [the] EU is paying less than us?’ And I said, well, because they gave me $600 billion. And that’s a gift; that’s not like, you know, a loan, by the way.”
Oh, suddenly you want to play fair?
What the EU says:
Commission officials have claimed that the deal’s purchasing and investment commitments, which are widely considered to be unrealistic and cannot be legally enforced by Brussels, are only “projections” that are based on the “very clear intentions” of private EU companies.
An official White House account of the deal also states that the EU has committed to purchase “significant amounts of US military equipment” – a claim rejected by Brussels.
An EU official said on Tuesday that a forthcoming EU-US joint statement, which is “90-95% ready”, will offer “clarity” on many of the deal’s details, but did not say that this would resolve the disagreement over military purchases.
I am certainly awaiting that joint statement, because the current versions are as far away from each other as when I ask my parents why they got divorced. And I know which side is more responsible for that discrepancy.
I swear, if the EU decides to swallow another turd…
And I said, well, because they gave me $600 billion. And that’s a gift; that’s not like, you know, a loan, by the way.”
Dude does not understand basic economics. This is as if my wife told me she applied to a company with a turnover of a billion, and I went and bragged at the pub “my wife made us billionaires!”
He just heard the number and is now happy with the number, without knowing what that number even measures.
Oh, that has been established a long time ago. And his constituency doesn’t understand either. Also, “a gift” sounds a lot like corruption.
The entire deal the EU signed was not legally binding or enforceable either. Seems like Rump has realized that.
I hope it falls thru!
I don’t even know what would “fall through”. The EU basically agreed to change nothing big, and the US also didn’t change anything big.
The EU said they agree to a 15% tariff ceiling, which actually reduced some existing tariffs even from pre-Trump levels, with some goods being stuck to the pre-negotiated most favoured nation levels, so lower than 15%. In exchange, Europe lowered some tariffs of its own, and not to tariff digital goods.
The whole “we’ll pay 600 billion” was just a projection that they showed Trump, we still have a free market and stuff, asking for investments from the private sector from the EC is like asking them for more sunshine and less rain. They are not the people who decide that in any case.
Unlimited trade war between the EU and the US would implode the world economy, so I don’t know what cards Trump thinks he holds.
For me, ‘falling thru’ means the leaders growing some spines this time around.
The EU is the USA’s little b*tch now.