Maybe Germany should have cut out a portion of their own territory as restitution to the population they committed genocide upon instead of giving another populated land away without discussion with the current population of that land.
It was the UN plan to help all of Europe with their Jewish problem by making a country somewhere else to move them all out and have a controllable ally in the Middle East.
Britain was more than happy to give up control of Palestine where Jewish Zionist terrorists were killing Brits, while also getting the Jews out of the UK.
The federal republic is the legal successor to the third reich, which was technically still the Weimar republic, which in turn is the legal successor of the German reich founded in 1871.
The laws of the federal repbulic largely build on the laws of the German reich and even kept quite a few of the laws made by the Nazis, such as the laws around abortion. Courts today sometimes rule about upholding or revoking rulings in the Weimar republic.
The German “us” transcends the states. My Great grandmother, born in 1907 lived through 5 variations of Germany, when we seperate Weimar and the third reich.
My argument is not about the transition of responsibility but the legal limit that Germany was occupied. No German could have made the decision of seceding land between 1945 and 1948.
As a side note, in 1907 Germany must have been more like Britain or the EU. Has there been a German “us”?
For the period of occupation that is true, although i’d say that by committing the Holocaust Germany contributed significantly to the idea that a Jewish nation state would be needed for the safety of Jewish people.
In regards to German identity, it is complicated to the point of absurdity. I think the fragileness and relative recentness of a German national identity is playing a big role in overcompensation through extreme nationalism.
Maybe Germany should have cut out a portion of their own territory as restitution to the population they committed genocide upon instead of giving another populated land away without discussion with the current population of that land.
Uhm mate, we take responsibility for the Holocaust, but the creation of the Israeli state is not on us.
The Holocaust certainly helped to give the final push.
You are right though that Israel is not just the result of Germany. The UK, France, the Soviet Union and other European countries helped to create it.
In all of tge mentioned countries deep rooted antisemitism and the whish to mostly get rid of Jews in Europe were a significant motivation.
You are barking at the wrong tree. It was a UN plan to split the land for Israel and Palestine.
It was the UN plan to help all of Europe with their Jewish problem by making a country somewhere else to move them all out and have a controllable ally in the Middle East.
Britain was more than happy to give up control of Palestine where Jewish Zionist terrorists were killing Brits, while also getting the Jews out of the UK.
Germany was founded in 1949, Israel in 1948.The allies could have though.
The federal republic is the legal successor to the third reich, which was technically still the Weimar republic, which in turn is the legal successor of the German reich founded in 1871.
The laws of the federal repbulic largely build on the laws of the German reich and even kept quite a few of the laws made by the Nazis, such as the laws around abortion. Courts today sometimes rule about upholding or revoking rulings in the Weimar republic.
The German “us” transcends the states. My Great grandmother, born in 1907 lived through 5 variations of Germany, when we seperate Weimar and the third reich.
My argument is not about the transition of responsibility but the legal limit that Germany was occupied. No German could have made the decision of seceding land between 1945 and 1948.
As a side note, in 1907 Germany must have been more like Britain or the EU. Has there been a German “us”?
For the period of occupation that is true, although i’d say that by committing the Holocaust Germany contributed significantly to the idea that a Jewish nation state would be needed for the safety of Jewish people.
In regards to German identity, it is complicated to the point of absurdity. I think the fragileness and relative recentness of a German national identity is playing a big role in overcompensation through extreme nationalism.
To be fair, I doubt most Jews would have seen that as a safe place just after WW2…