The triggers are my preference because i like racing games. This system is worthless for most racing games.
Is it as simple as planned obsolescence, or is there something else about the production or use of Hall effect sticks that causes every single console from Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Valve to not have them?
It’s probably just more expensive as a new technology
It is actually older than current voltmeter joysticks. It is more expensive but price change is actually minimal, I heard it was just some cents. Even worse, Nintendo had their own no contact joystick in n64. It is quite ironic that now 3rd party controllers are higher quality with lower prices
Really, the N64? The N64 stick was not in-practice long-lasting. I’ve never gone out of my way to get modern Hall effect stuff, but if they’re anything like that then I understand why they remain a niche thing for hobbyists who will baby them.
I have never had one myself but I remember people saying it was long lasting. Also they dd not use hall effect. They basically used lasers just like today’s mouses
Perhaps this is the great lie of Hall effect marketing. Everything breaks, especially if you let kids use it.
not really. if marketing was influencing anything they would have sugar coated standard volt meter joysticks (which are used by xbox, nintendo, playstation and many more, even on their elite controllers).
The smaller third party companies market and advertise their Hall effect sticks as something special to differentiate their products from the big companies. There are probably overstated claims being made in much of this advertising, as there tends to be in all advertising.
I guess theyre just worse as a joke
Hall effects sticks are a little more expensive but it’s a relatively small difference in cost and is negligible at scale for these large companies to manufacture. Citing the slightly higher cost as the reason for not using the vastly superior tech is just an excuse, and obviously so when you consider for example Sony putting in all the expensive haptic-feedback stuff in their controllers but still insisting on using the old physical-contact potentiometers which inevitably wear out. It really is about a form of planned obsolescence, with the sticks being intended to eventually break, necessitating the replacement of the controller (or repair if still under warranty, but for most people it’s easier just to buy a new controller, which Nintendo, Sony, etc are counting on).
After getting stick drift on my 2-month old PS5 controller and doing a bunch of research on what the options and alternatives are, I am completely convinced that console controllers are a blatant scam. Not only has Sony refused to use the obviously superior Hall effect sticks in their supposedly super-high-tech cutting edge haptic feedback PS5 controllers and made it so that you can’t get any 3rd party (that aren’t Sony-licensed) controllers that are stickdrift-proof, they have made the PS5 controllers much more likely to develop stick drift than the PS4 controllers were. So people have an extremely high chance of needing to frequently buy new controllers at $70+ a pop. They haven’t been able to force you to pay a subscription fee to use your controllers (yet) but they’ve effectively done that by making it so people keep having to buy new ones. There have been numerous class action lawsuits filed against Sony that make these exact claims, but unsurprisingly those lawsuits always fail.
Sony even makes a high-end “pro” model controller that costs $200 where the sticks are on modules that can be removed and swapped out from the rest of the controller, but even at that ridiculous price point for a controller, the sticks including all replacement modules, are all still potentiometer sticks. You simply can’t get Hall effect sticks even for the $200 “Edge” controller. So if you’re upset about buying new $70 controllers every year, you can get the $200 controller that will still develop stick drift, but you’ll only have to buy $30 stick modules to replace the old ones as they wear out. Oh, except the replacement sticks are made to be artificially scarce and people are on long wait lists to even get the replacement modules. Great options, no?
Price isn’t a problem. You can get controllers off Aliexpress with hall effect joysticks AND triggers for cheap and they kick ass
While I agree that no hall effect joysticks for the follow-up to the stick drift poster boy is ridiculous, as someone who doesn’t play racing games, I find the trend to having analogue triggers as a selling point rather annoying; mostly due to travel distance.
I totally see why it would be important for racing games and mario sunshine was definitely not the same on the switch with digital triggers. I would love to see more games utilize analogue triggers for input variation but unfortunately all you get more button travel distance.
But let’s not even get into the mid-ness and total underutilization of the PS5 “adaptive triggers”
The 8bitdo Ultimate 2 has physical switches that change its triggers from analog to digital. Probably still too much to expect Nintendo to implement, but having the choice is nice.
8bitdo Ultimate 2
well that’s pretty cool
The ps5 adaptive triggers are super cool imo but definitely underutilized. As far as travel distance I feel like devs could easily set it to count as a press after traveling a relatively short distance and have it be negligible? There’s also controller where you can adjust the travel distance like the dualsense edge but no shot would nintendo implement that in a joycon
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i have a steam deck, i like it quite a bit. Plus it emulates up to PS2 and Gamecube.
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i havent, i have a modchip in my switch so i would probably just use that mostly.
