Sounds like a fine critique. I don’t really agree with it, but sure, they were both working for racial justice.
Personally I think there was a reason why MLK was killed probably by the government, and Malcolm X wasn’t. Sure, maybe if X had lived, they would have shot him too, I don’t know. And they probably knew it was coming and didn’t try to stop it. But they definitely thought MLK was dangerous enough to kill. Whatever Malcolm X thought about it and had to say, the government themselves definitely weren’t happy like “oh we gotta keep this guy around so he can keep everyone on the plantation for us.”
I did find it fascinating that contemporaries of MLK has such disparaging views of him.
It wasn’t “his contemporaries.” It was Malcolm X, apparently.
His liberal contemporaries, sure, they were constantly telling him to tone it down or that it wasn’t the time, or that he was making it difficult for them to make “progress.” His civil rights contemporaries, by and large, were pretty in favor of what he was doing. Sometimes they even showed up and walked around with him in some little groupings, in public, just to subtly send a message that they might have been in favor of what he was doing.
I have no idea why you are going out of your way to shit on MLK in this particular way. It has been an interesting little window in the workings of some people on Lemmy. I think, honestly, that some of it comes from feeling comfortable expressing opinions and assertions about things where you honestly don’t know even a vague approximation of what the fuck you’re talking about.
Theeeeere it is lmao. Starting from MLK was a creative and interesting choice, sort of a new spin on “this leftist person you like is actually BAD because he’s WORKING FOR THE MAN and as a good leftist I don’t think we should support him.” I certainly have seen that one, but not about a political figure that’s been dead for over 60 years.
In any case I think we’re done here. At least it explains why you follow closely with the pattern of:
Saying one thing and kind of sticking with it, not really varying or responding no matter what anyone says, just repetitiously talking about your thing
Explaining what a lot of people who disagree with you believe (“all black people are the same or at least have the same opinions”) by way of (a) making them sound stupid by putting stupid views in their mouths (b) redirecting away from what they’re actually saying to you about what they believe / why they might disagree with you about your wild one thing that you’re saying
Tying it back to the Democrats, and specifically why “a lot of people” have these important critiques of them
Like I say… we’re done here. Have fun with your engagement on Lemmy. I hope you find some people who really take you super super seriously and listen closely to what you are sharing with them, to help inform them fully about this urgent point of view they need to understand.
Wait until I find out he cheated on his wife. My fucking head will probably explode. Don’t tell me, though, I’m super simple minded when I look at figures I admire in history.
Dude, you can’t post up something pretending that MLK was “worried more about fundraising than anything else” and basically a tool for the white man to derail the movement, and then get all surprised when the reaction is negative, even if you then walk it back to “oh I just thought it was an interesting perspective they didn’t teach me in school.” Continuously pivoting back to people calling you out on it not being “reasonable” or being mean to your innocent discourse isn’t really doing you any favors there either.
In my mind, figuring out why the civil rights bill passed when it did is a very important question with implications about the proper means of political activism in modern day America.
Indeed it is. With the political discourse climate as it is in modern-day American, I think part of the proper means that are necessary is to vigorously push back on shifty little narratives when they start trying to worm their way into the conversation. A lot of this stuff is (very effectively) spreading around and inserting dishonest little narratives to undermine support for leftist figures.
There are also some extremely instructive lessons to be drawn from the civil rights movement, of course, on that I’ll agree completely. But if your take on MLK was that he was a tool of the white man that held the movement back more than anything, I don’t think you’re qualified to be able to weigh in on that side of it.
Okay. Here’s the whole non-excerpted speech BTW:
https://www.themelaninproject.org/tmpblog/2021/7/12/message-to-the-grassroots-by-malcom-x-full-transcript
Sounds like a fine critique. I don’t really agree with it, but sure, they were both working for racial justice.
Personally I think there was a reason why MLK was killed probably by the government, and Malcolm X wasn’t. Sure, maybe if X had lived, they would have shot him too, I don’t know. And they probably knew it was coming and didn’t try to stop it. But they definitely thought MLK was dangerous enough to kill. Whatever Malcolm X thought about it and had to say, the government themselves definitely weren’t happy like “oh we gotta keep this guy around so he can keep everyone on the plantation for us.”
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It wasn’t “his contemporaries.” It was Malcolm X, apparently.
His liberal contemporaries, sure, they were constantly telling him to tone it down or that it wasn’t the time, or that he was making it difficult for them to make “progress.” His civil rights contemporaries, by and large, were pretty in favor of what he was doing. Sometimes they even showed up and walked around with him in some little groupings, in public, just to subtly send a message that they might have been in favor of what he was doing.
I have no idea why you are going out of your way to shit on MLK in this particular way. It has been an interesting little window in the workings of some people on Lemmy. I think, honestly, that some of it comes from feeling comfortable expressing opinions and assertions about things where you honestly don’t know even a vague approximation of what the fuck you’re talking about.
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Theeeeere it is lmao. Starting from MLK was a creative and interesting choice, sort of a new spin on “this leftist person you like is actually BAD because he’s WORKING FOR THE MAN and as a good leftist I don’t think we should support him.” I certainly have seen that one, but not about a political figure that’s been dead for over 60 years.
In any case I think we’re done here. At least it explains why you follow closely with the pattern of:
Like I say… we’re done here. Have fun with your engagement on Lemmy. I hope you find some people who really take you super super seriously and listen closely to what you are sharing with them, to help inform them fully about this urgent point of view they need to understand.
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Wait until I find out he cheated on his wife. My fucking head will probably explode. Don’t tell me, though, I’m super simple minded when I look at figures I admire in history.
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Dude, you can’t post up something pretending that MLK was “worried more about fundraising than anything else” and basically a tool for the white man to derail the movement, and then get all surprised when the reaction is negative, even if you then walk it back to “oh I just thought it was an interesting perspective they didn’t teach me in school.” Continuously pivoting back to people calling you out on it not being “reasonable” or being mean to your innocent discourse isn’t really doing you any favors there either.
Indeed it is. With the political discourse climate as it is in modern-day American, I think part of the proper means that are necessary is to vigorously push back on shifty little narratives when they start trying to worm their way into the conversation. A lot of this stuff is (very effectively) spreading around and inserting dishonest little narratives to undermine support for leftist figures.
There are also some extremely instructive lessons to be drawn from the civil rights movement, of course, on that I’ll agree completely. But if your take on MLK was that he was a tool of the white man that held the movement back more than anything, I don’t think you’re qualified to be able to weigh in on that side of it.