Fact: Gazans have just as much right to armed self defense as the Israelis do.
Fact: Hamas, by Israel’s own numbers, does a better job at avoiding civilian casualties than the IDF does.
Fact: people who hand wring about Hamas are just classists. They view killing someone with a bomb dropped from a plane as morally superior to killing someone with an AK 47. Their moral judgment in the validity of violence is primarily a function of the income of the person committing the violence.
Actually Israelis do not have any right to self defense as a beligirent occupier.
Palestinians meanwhile are allowed extreme levels of armed resistance against their occupiers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_armed_resistance
My Israelian friend told me they grew up with bombings every week for the last 30 years and that having a bomb shelter was normal and needed… Hearing on the news that a mall, a club, a restaurant or even a bus were blown up. They used to go with a gas mask to school because there were always under threat of chemical attacks… so idk how hamas does a better job at avoiding civilian casualties than the IDF does since Israel been under attack for 30 years by Hamas according to my friend. But ATM yes, I agree IDF is deffo making a lot more civilian casualties… shooting innocent palestinians at food check points in their crotches…
What Hamas has been doing for 30 years, IDF is doing right now since october 7 if not worse…Its just so crazy. Also because they told me they were taught in school that Arabs are as much a part of Israel as anyone else is. And in general media it’s always the fault of the terror organizations and not the countries themselves… That does not sound like indoctrination against palestinians to me ?
And is it true that it’s now illegal to be against the genocide in gaza in the UK just because pro palestinians attacked one military base? Aren’t they secure sites? What is happening over there and why are no leaders stepping up the genocide its crazy
By Israel’s own numbers, Hamas killed two civilians for every military casualty on October 7. This number includes Israeli civilians killed by the IDF to prevent them from becoming hostages. Since the attack, the IDF has killed far far more than two Gazan civilians for every member of Hamas they’ve taken out. They’ve leveled Gaza and corralled its population into concentration camps.
The reason there has been no peace is that Israel doesn’t want peace. They are an expansionist state. They continuously expand their borders through the following method:
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Have Israeli citizens living right next to Arab populations (Palestinians and others.)
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Israel antagonizes their neighbors until some militant group responds violently.
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Send in the Israeli military to fight the militant group.
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Use fighting the group as cover to expel the Arab population from an area. Justify this by saying a “buffer zone” is required to separate Israelis and Arabs, like the Korean DMZ.
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Allow Israeli civilians to settle inside the “buffer zone.” Once again have Israelis living right next door to Arabs.
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Antagonize their neighbors until violence again erupts.
This is how Israel slowly expands its borders. And they’re not stopping at Gaza and the West Bank. They’re doing the same shit in Lebanon and Syria. Arab land today. Buffer zone tomorrow. Israeli cities and towns the day after. It’s a slow claiming of Israeli lebensraum one bit at a time, and they’ve been doing this for decades.
Im talking about the last 30 years tho not since everything escalated since october 7, what Hamas has been doing for 30 years, IDF is doing right now since october 7 if not worse…
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Are you being sarcastic? Inform yourself in how in Israel people are being indoctrinated to completely despise Palestinians and consider them worse than rats (and I mean it, I bet a rat in a Israeli street is treated better and with more compassion than a Palestinian 4yr old in Gaza!). The bomb shelter drama pre 2024 were part of the indoctrination. Both Hezbollah and Hamas did not have projectiles that can be aim at anything and overwhelming majority ended in the dessert. I dare you find how many Israeli civilians died between 2010 and 2022… I could not find any data at all (self explanatory) but I bet more died due to a bee sting! Palestinians, however, 5,600 were killed, an increasingly in the later years, and that does not account the tens of thousands imprisoned and tortured ones, inclusive of kids that are at random picked up from the streets or in their beds to no recourse.
Why would it be any deal, one has all the power and an enabler, when not participant, international community, they other has almost nothing. Israel is the only country that I can think of that does not have to support the people that they’d invaded since 7 decades ago.
But Israel had bombings every week for the last 30 years is what they tell me I mean they lived there and experienced it… How is that indoctrination? But yeah besides that they blame eachother for everything yeah
Again, don’t take my word, just please find the number of Israeli civilian deaths in “the last 30 years” of “bombings”, they must be so traumatized on these unwarranted thousands of attacks that for 30 years had caused! In the US, fireworks alone killed 11 people last year… that is a ‘bit more’ than Hamas killed with rockets in those last 30 years!
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I’m so fucking tired of Anti-Genocide groups being called Pro-Palestine. It feels like such a dog whistle.
Narrator: “it is”
At least two grassroots pro-Palestine organisations in the UK have had their bank accounts frozen, raising fears about a wider attempt to silence voices speaking out about Gaza.
Greater Manchester Friends for Palestine (GMFP) and Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC), which both organise peaceful protests and vigils, have had access to their funds cut off indefinitely by Virgin Money and Unity Trust bank respectively. The Guardian understands a local PSC branch in England has also had its bank account frozen but was unable to confirm it directly.
Coming amid the banning of Palestine Action earlier this month and the arrest of more than 100 people for showing support for the group, and the threatened arrest of a peaceful protester for having a Palestine flag and “Free Gaza” sign, it has amplified concerns about a crackdown on critics of Israel.
a western regime mask off moment
Bloody hell!
If the world lets Israel take Gaza, I do not understand why there is no action to relocate the Palestinians and avoid the massacre at least.
The world doesn’t want Israel to take Gaza. The West does. Also it would be complicity in ethnic cleansing.
You’re right of course. However, is letting Israel kill some hundreds of civilians every week really an option?
Israel has very publicly stated that they will not stop at colonizing Gaza. Their plan is to colonize almost the entire Middle East. This is stated in their Greater Israel plan and you can already see that Israel is colonizing parts of Lebanon and Syria and of course the West Bank.
You must understand that Israel is entirely like the Nazis. Adolf Hitler was not content after invading Poland. Europe actually gave Hitler multiple pieces of land which he invaded at the promise that he would stop after that. Of course Hitler always broke this promise. When dealing with Nazis there is only one solution.
nobody can do anything about it because either america will step in to defend pissrael or pissrael will leak whatever blackmail they have on all western politicians that keeps them obedient
So what’s the endgame here? Clearly Palestinians will not disappear into thin air.
Are you not familiar with the concept of genocide?
i couldnt tell you. i dont want to be pessimistic. its a horrible situation. the palestinians have been there since the beginning and some crackers in europe decided a century ago it was theirs like they did the rest of the planet. we’re all at the whims of sociopaths on a mission to destroy everything so that they can take it and profit off it
if you ask me where i think we should go from here my honest answer will have the fbi at my house (im murrican)
Israel will keep being Nazis until they overplay their hand and the West calls it quits. Recent Israeli bombings on Iran proved to be a step too far for the West to support. US and Europe support genocide but when the oil gets hurt they call it quits.
It seems like this will continue until the West doesn’t have enough money to support Israel anymore.
Recent Israeli bombings on Iran proved to be a step too far for the West to support.
What? No it didn’t.
If it wouldn’t have then American soldiers would be in Iran right now.
I’m not talking about their words but the actions. US and EU put their attack dog on a leash when their oil got in danger.
That’s an interesting point. I always wondered how the transition to green energy would have affected the Middle East, but I never considered that it could reduced the need to limit Israel.
That is a conundrum but not for us to dictate, but Palestinians themselves.
As an occupier since 1948, Israel has the obligation to maintain the people they had conquered, never did, the international community, rather than the invader, for 7 decades had maintained the Palestinian community. As an occupier, Israel never felt the burden of their policies. Now Israel is in the way to kill and/or expel the entire population on Gaza (West Bank will be next) and expects, again, for the entire world community to pay with the burden. For countries to accept these refugees in masse, it will help the people individually, but it will be complicit in the eradication of a people . And ‘help’ the individuals, is a understatement, most likely the bulk of Palestinians will be send to tents for the rest of their lives in some dessert (for 2nd or 3rd time in their lifetimes!) with no rights of the hosted country either. Let’s not even mention all the hundreds of thousands handicapped and other hundreds of thousands with mental disorders that this orchestrated and meticulously planed genocide has caused them and that will need to be supported, once again, not by the perpetrator, but an enabler international community.
There is a long list of alternatives that starts with a military intervention to stop the genocide, and ends with relocating the refugees in other countries as the minimum act of decency. Somehow the world manages to go to the bottom of the list and digs down choosing to just watch.
I wonder how this will be explained in history books.
The History books? One of two, by the winner (namely China) or there won’t be history books altogether.
The sad thing is that there is not need to be even an intervention, just some accountability (boycott, arms sales ban,…), and soon enough Israel would find out there is no exit on the current path. Just imagine that countries like Russia, China, Spain, Turkey or Egypt send a strong flotilla with humanitarian aid… would Israel declare war? On what moral or strategic ground? The truth however is that we all are a bunch of cowards and everyone is afraid to be the first to make the first step. But things are shifting, and shifting fast… Americans won’t take long to wake up and demand all financial/weapon aid to be stopped, Europeans already are fed up with Middle Easter adventures and, soon enough, Egypt and Turkey will realize that pivoting away from the US is more beneficial to them. Israel could had rapidly improve their relationship with the neighbors, but instead it thrives in creating havoc since it has worked so good all these years… not for much longer though… they soon, in the middle of their most abrupt and criminal ambitions, will realize how alone they are and that the support from abroad won’t last… and the worse part, is that this change won’t be progressively, it will be abrupt and they wont have time to rectify.
The Samson Option is the real concern for me. But, like I mentioned it will be all the area, not just Iran that will soon turn against Israel so that option just becomes 100% suicidal. The Zionist with power are not religious, they don’t even believe in the after life, they just want power! The powerful Zionists are people, that when they see things turn bad, they won’t think twice of fleeing to the US or Argentina and they know, that even in those countries, they won’t live in peace if they’d triggered the nuclear weapons and killed millions.
Americans won’t take long to wake up and demand all financial/weapon aid to be stopped
Lol. The sun will burn out before that happens
