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an_onanist@lemmy.world to Political Humor@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago

GOP struggling to solve the declining population problem

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GOP struggling to solve the declining population problem

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an_onanist@lemmy.world to Political Humor@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago
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    You’d have to provide some data about not having to work and birthrates. According to table 2, by far the largest proportion of births is to those who are unclassified. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/anoteonchildbearingbysocioeconomicstatusandcountryofbirthofmother/2016#births-by-socio-economic-status-and-age-of-mothers

    However it doesn’t distinguish between being wealthy, on benefits or perhaps being a student!

    This paper suggests that a fall in birth rate amongst wealthier people coincides with the industrial revolution. https://www.jstor.org/stable/44289704?seq=1

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      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility

      It’s a very well known and studied phenomenon.

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        That’s GDP of the country, and is not related to the number of children born to parents who don’t have to work. It states that rich countries have a lower birth rate.

        ignores the fact that rich people (who don’t have to work) have less kids

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          Do you think multimillionaires have to work and that people who make under 25k don’t?

          https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

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            This chart does backup your statement that low income families have the highest birthrate.

            It does not show whether people have to work, which is the point I was disputing (that rich people who don’t have to work have fewer children)

            Looking at the ONS data the percentage of women who’s employment status is ‘unclassified’ is, by far, the largest proportion of women giving birth

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              Do

              You

              Believe

              That

              Multimillionaires

              NEED

              To

              Work

              ?

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                Lol, I have no idea, a million isn’t that much if one has a big house, staff, and private jets.

                I’m not quite sure what your point is?

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                  Multimillionaires don’t need to work, they could stop working and live off the interest on their wealth, yet their fertility rate is lower than people who make under 50k/year, which is less than the interest you make on a million in savings.

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                    That’s assuming they don’t want to keep their big houses, expensive holidays etc? Generally expenditure grows with income.

                    I think your argument is that people don’t have children for reasons other than wealth. My argument is that wealth and the ability to live a certain life style does affect people’s decision on having children.

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