My niece has an old iphone with no SIM/phone number. Only wifi internet access.
Looking for an app for both of us to be able to chat
She cant chat with me over signal because no phonee number. She chats with the rest of the family over imessage, but i have an android phone
Is there an app available for both android and iphone to let me chat with her?
Thanks
Edit: willing to self-host for extra privacy. My nieces and nephews are all young children so i definitely want to encourage/educate them to get off corporate controlled communications channels
Matrix / element
To expand with my personal experience, I self host a synapse server partly for the reason that i want my children (aged 8-14 now) to have a communication platform they can access to get ahold of me with out requireing a sim card. I do not federate, and i do not allow account sign ups. That keeps a pretty isolated instance while still allowing everyone on that homeserver to be able to talk to each other.
I help them get Element setup on each device. I dont think this is overly complicated, but i am sure i am a horrible judge of complexity… They have to enter the url of the server, then their password, then they need to scan a qr code/verify from an existing device. Or, they need to enter a second passcode to verify their identity. I help them keep those secrets in bitwarden, so imo, that complexity is an opportunity to explain some opsec and encryption!
This
That gets really complicated with room keys and stuff though. So it’s not particularly user friendly.
“I remember my uncle, he used to force us to use some janky app to talk to him because he was afraid of the big corporations spying on him”
Except they literally do. It’s even acknowledged in the mainstream media.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/16/technology/snowden-spying-big-tech.html
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Sadly, I agree.
Oh so that’s why you don’t have a brain chip lma… (wait 5 seconds to skip ad)… o
Jabber (XMPP) or Matrix/Element.
Https://snikket.org will get you started with XMPP easily.
Conversations on Android and Siskin on iOS.
One non-techie parent has Siskin running on their iPhone and it hasn’t skipped a beat in years of messaging using omemo-encrypted XMPP. For servers, they’re on tigase.im and I’m on conversations.im.
Here’s a guide on optimum siskin settings; I don’t know if defaults are better now or not.
Conversations.im is free on fdroid but it’s well worth paying something to the developer directly.
My friends and I all use Simplex and have been very happy. There’s an annoying feature where messages in group chats are sometimes delivered out of order, but it’s easy enough to live with.
Try SimpleX chat.
Edit: or session
SimpleX.
https://simplex.chat/ is probably the best option today
The app is great and the server is very easy to self host.
You can use a voip/sms service to register with the traditional messaging apps: signal, telegram, etc
I.e. google voice, or https://kycnot.me/search?q=sms&type=
Though I think :
Matrix, simplex, and briar are good options that don’t need sms at all
Threema.
It costs $5 dollars, so you’re less likely to be the product. Highly private. Includes some open source code. Audited. Android and iOS. Doesn’t require phone number.
Here are the settings I recommend during first setup: Tap next instead of making a Threema Safe password Tap next instead of entering your phone number Turn off “Sync contacts”
XMPP.
Threema.
Matrix.
Matrix would be good ig.
If you want to use imessage on android:
https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-use-imessage-android/
(includes self-hosting options)
If you want to use whatsapp:
If someone else has an old (and/or prepay) sim which can receive texts, you can authenticate whatsapp that way. IRC you can also authenticate with a landline. Install whatsapp using the landline number, wait for SMS authentication to fail, then it should ask to call you. Say yes, and you’ll get a call with the authentication code. Et voila.
My nieces and nephews are all young children so i definitely want to encourage/educate them to get off corporate controlled communications channels
Good luck with that, is all I can say. Kids are very susceptible to peer pressure, especially as they enter their teen years. It’s only when they’re in their late teens that they’ll open up again and start becoming more critical.
Signal v7 with username IDs is right around the corner. I’d suggest you wait a few weeks if you can.
I’d love to see data to the contrary, but I believe even with username IDs, they will still want phone number verification. I.e. like telegram does
We’ll see in a few weeks time; hence my recommendation to wait a little ;)
It has been in beta for a while now and it still does require a SIM for registration.
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“Update UI for PNP launch megaphone.” is pretty unmistakable ;)
We don’t know how long it’ll be exactly but “a few weeks” is a good assumption here.
WTH dude… You can send letters. Unfortunately it’s IRL only and isn’t at all what you asked for
Briar fits the requirements.
No need for sms. Works over the internet, wifi only, or Bluetooth. As long as everyone has android it’s a great option.
That being said simplex is probably the right answer here, but no reason to antagonize the person who suggested a valid option.
How can it be a valid option when it is only available on android and the reason why OP is having this issue, is that the niece is on an iPhone?
That’s a very cogent message, thank you for writing it. I now understand your concern. I had missed the iphone requirement
jisti, nextcloud talk, element matrix …go big: IRC
Would be so cool if my kids and nieces/nephews used IRC!!
