To push back gently on this,

Unless you’re trying to get really jacked, achieve a specific body style or whatever it’s not that complex.

Going to the gym 3 times a week because I wanted to get a bigger upper body and then doing large muscle group exercises for everything else made significant progress for me without ever really knowing too much.

I’m not Adonis by any means, but a high protein calorie deficit brought me down 25 kg of fat and put on 7kg of muscle. The hardest part is just doing everyday or every other day.

“We are tempted to feel sorry for the poor history-less millionaire who, to recreate Europe in the desolate savannahs, destroys the genuine and turns it into an unreal lagoon.”

Umberto Eco, Travels in Hyperreality

I honestly do to some extent. They worship money so much that they chase it even into places they have no love for or desire to live in. What an empty life.

I unfortunately had a good friend pass away this past year because of cardiac issues as well. He was 29. I’m sure this happening weighs heavily on my mind throughout the process and even now.

I know I’m probably fine but why not just say that your heart is fine according to the tests. Why dip into irrelevant information for the symptoms at hand?

Yeah, that’s my focus. It’s frustrating but I’d never vent anything on them. Medical field is tough work usually unless you’re one of those elective cosmetic surgery types. Even then that’s probably only the case if you’re the owner of that practice.

Either way my parents instilled in me a fear of God and that God is public confrontation. I’ll complain on here but in my presentation to anyone in person I’ll certainly be polite.

I mentioned elsewhere that due to the lifestyle changes it does finally feel like I’m on the up and up. Got some meds that work well and such. Feeling pretty normal again despite the vein thing. Thanks for the validation

I explained to you why asking clarifying questions in this way was invalidating and you just cover your ears. Fine block me it doesn’t really matter but I think I was quite patient and even handed in my final response. Call it mind reading if you want, but this is just what social cues are and a reasonable interpretation of the implications of your writing. Mind reading is a really nice excuse to use when communication breakdown occurs because it shifts the honus completely off the self and onto the other. When a poor job is done expressing oneself, it is the error of the speaker and the listener. People have bad intentions online and you didn’t express yourself as overtly friendly. This final little jab and the “now I’m going to block you” is what I’m talking about. It’s like you think because you’re being overly respectable and as such your words can’t possibly have a bad effect.

“I was trying to share a quite similar story by way of empathy, but for some reason you take it as hostile”

Assuming you are earnest here, this is why your story came off that way to me. Your framing in your comment appears as though your usage of the pronoun “I” is one where you take on the mantle of the one you’re speaking to, in this case me. Look to your prelude to the story; It is not framed in a way that suggests this is your experience. “You have seen what sounds like several different medical providers involved and nobody can find anything alarming” followed by your aside. This suggests that the following aside is a rhetorical “taking on the mantle of” the other speaker. Perhaps, I shouldn’t assume that, but I think given what I listed here you should take note with your framing as I work to improve on my seeming error.

Furthermore, given our earlier interaction I don’t think you understand the influence from the previous discussion well. I’m sharing a personal story and interaction about my subjective experience and you asked for evidence to prove that I’m justified in that feeling. Did you do this? Did you do that? appeared to me as bad faith sea-lioning given the framing. It wasn’t presented in a way which affirmed my experience and provided helpful tips like you’re now saying was your intention. The essence of my post was that “man, I wish I took better care of myself and that people don’t use age as a framing metric for why something isn’t an issue.” Being told that “your organ is healthy and reveals no issues stemming from it” is sufficient and more effective messaging as it doesn’t appeal to something that may be irrelevant.

“Honestly most people can (italicized) figure out that if a specialist…” I listened to their instructions took the medicine topically as instructed, and saw no reduction in symptoms. This isn’t me returning for some reason, it’s explicitly because the doctor I was referred to suggested this adjustments which didn’t appear to have the impact desired. I don’t find it unreasonable to go back to talk to the doctor that prescribed you the medicine and lifestyle changes to discuss the insufficiency. This is condescending language by the way, but I imagine that since our discussion went sour I won’t hold it against you. That’s silly and fruitless given my own hostile language. If the cardiologist believes I should go back the GP at this point, then he should suggest that by providing that in the suggestions for further investigation.

Given the above two paragraphs, I think it should be clear what my expectation is for optimal care.

“What is a general test…” My reference to general tests is an error on my part in terms of expressing myself it seems. I meant general health screening tests performed by a GP in relation to my symptoms.

“very wrong for a cardiologist…” Yes, I agree. Which is why I would say it would be prudent for them to suggest another appointment with the GP. Which I did go do eventually, but it took me a while due to being told that I was “worrying too much” and potentially causing said issues.

“If someone is explaining…” I think my first paragraph responds to this one. Wish you started with “I think if you ask at the beginning of visits…” because it’s the essence of what you’re trying to say without the issues that our previous interaction encountered. Also, no not everyone who tried to help me, just you who I seemed to erroneously think was being one.

You got a real talent for making someone worried about their health feel good. Expert talent. I hope you get payed for being a jackass.

Yeah they did say that actually. So your sarcastic remark about that is precisely what they said. Also can you read the text? Have you had heartburn? Does it feel like your heart not beating correctly? It doesn’t. Don’t presume idiocy on my part to same extent that you assume I might not know what I’m talking about. The specialist should suggest going to a GP if that’s the obvious go to wisdom.

Goddamn, doctors and you (if you are one or just carry water for this bullshit It doesn’t matter) act like the bureaucracy of a hospital is easy to navigate or understand. Please go ahead! Diagnose me! Ask me to diagnose myself again! I said in the post I’ve erred in my approach but lemme say it again “I’m not a goddamn doctor”. I didn’t ask to see a specialist, that’s who I was referred to after discussing the symptoms with the GP at that particular hospital. Did he do a test? No. Should he have? Probably I don’t know.

If someone shows up and the tests you ran show things are fine, maybe you as an experienced medical professional should tell that to your patient. “Go get some general tests it doesn’t look like it’s related to heart” All I did was say something was still messed up and told it’s in my head.

Take a goddamn step off your pedestal and try to understand how people act when they’re unsure and don’t know what to do. All I did in this post was malign the way people assume things about young people not having issues. Don’t presume I’m an asshole just because you like to be one.

I literally cried after my ER visit when I broke my arm because it cost me around 25 USD. Everytime I run into or talk to someone back home I immediately talk up Luigi Mangione as a hero and malign the suffering that we go through at home just to visit a doctor.

Thanks for the encouragement, Mr. ByeThen.

Yeah I’ve been getting tests done over the past few months. I found it frustrating because the cardiologist didn’t offer any tips about who to talk to if in having these other symptoms (vascular issues) if it wasn’t related to the heart.

They just assumed I’m in my own head.

“There might just not be a reason to worry or much to be done.”

No offense but this is the same thing I was pushing back against. Rapid deterioration of blood flow in the extremities is an issue because it’s falls into the criteria of serious or actively getting worse. I understand it’s not their speciality but I mean, they are a heart doctor and should be able to point me to someone who can help.

Anyway, yeah my heart situation has improved dramatically. I’m off the meds; they were just a thing to take as needed. I think it’s all downhill from here so I’m feeling positive.

I know. I even joked that “hey, I’m American I don’t come to the hospital unless I think I’m dying”

Thanks for sharing your experience. It helped me feel better to know I’m not going it alone.

Thanks, fortunately my sleep issued have been resolved as my heart became regular after that period.

Of all my issues I don’t have that one at least.

What’s so fucked is that for a pretty insignificant amount of money you could make a quarantine not that bad. They just need to isolate so find some cabins and have them have a nice wilderness stay for 2 months. Wisconsin or Minnesota would be amazing this time of year. Lotta these people were bird watchers too right?