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Notice the color of the “?” is the same as the two panel captions - cats break the laws of meta-physics & 4th walls all the time.

Dogs use that space for play only.

Bcs the market speculation predicted that after prob 1k years it will enter the mass use by a major religion & could be sold at a higher price then, duh.

/s

It’s called enshitification, we knew it was coming.

Oh, no, I never meant Ender as about “total experience” or hedonism (that also why I pointed out that it wasn’t premeditated).

Just that the duality is a sort of step-by-step consequence where firstly Ender had/chose one experience & only after that one the other (when presented with the second choice he already “just” had the first experience and wasn’t wishing more of it).

We are made of experience & less of premeditation.

Sorry, I don’t actuality think Ender works as this example, too young & the story/the genocide presented as an too easy choice (and I’m to clumsy with words to express myself properly).

But, with a lot of changes imagine the characters first choice being on the planet to save the eqq queen (as if that was a separate Ender) - the choice between not being destructive & assuring humanity is safe.

And I still agree with everything you wrote abut humans basically, my sub-point was somewhere within that

Another defining trait of humans is that we will do things explicitly against our own self interest, out of an adherence to a moral doctrine or dogma, or, making ones own moral decisions about what is wrong and right, to the point of great personal sacrifice.

Yes, but in Ender’s that against self interest is saving a bug, not eg deciding to stop fighting & let humanity fall (if he had known it wasn’t a sim).

The ‘against self-interest’ is usually so smol that it’s basically like having a pet - I have to feed it & sometimes it’s work (the return is in the feeling, the experience, and friendship - and to that, I’m saying that saving a potentially dangerous species is a bit similar to that one person).

Only if it’s with a doctor.

And no, you can’t stuff apples up your butt, that kills the doctor.

Wait til they make you sub to their AI for your citizenship to work.

What in the fuckety anti-anti-trust megacorp win is this???

Where is the petition to sign??

Jup, that’s fair.

Yes!!

Exactly!
Ender was set up to show the duality of what we are capable of (the result), but made things ez(ish?) for the cause (high stakes). A few other works “of fiction” (well, basically every sci-fi empire, modeled ofc after non-fiction ones, or even a controlled experiment like in the Rama series) show how are we capable of such duality for much more mondaine causes (petty personal/political/economical interest, even if not really effective or just temporary - one smol personal win over an entire species if practically possible).

But, imho, both is just self-interest (not the unobtainable “objective greater good”), appreciating something when humanity has nothing to wage it against is ez. It just adds to our life experience - much the same way it adds to it to enslave that thing & subject it to horrors beyond imagining for some profit.
Basically Ender looking at it as individual got the best (“most”?) experience he thought he could, didn’t he? (I’m not saying it was premeditated.) All the saving/slaughtering and all the saving. I think the duality (def a real thing ofc) is just the entitlement of wanting everything & on our terms.

Eg. on Earth even in the most oppressive slavery regimes you always find stories of how someone “liked” some slave & gave them a “”“better”“” life (only very comparatively to the system they support).
It is the duality of human nature, but bcs both things sum up better for us - if both isn’t possible we default to the first one (again, on average/historically speaking).

Tl;dr: yes, duality, but I never understood why there is mysticism around it’s existence, it’s just that we want as much things as possible & when pleasurable.
We mostly just take (“what we can” being the limit).

THE FURRIES

(Not coz we are all hairy, but bcs the first sight of an awakening sentient AIs would probably be of some random sys admin.)

Yeah, that is why SHODAN is the likeable one :D.
/s

But for real, offering an alien creature kindness where your agenda is different (or at least indifferent to that creature) is a very inhuman thing to do when you look at us on average.
If humanity would pilot an AI like that it would act like SHODAN (we do act like SHODAN to other creatures of meat and bone … well, ‘other’ somehow very much includes other humans too).

SHODAN <3

Still one of the top mommies I would let assimilate me (but them queen Borgs gots my interest too).

Both offer endless space exploration (but also more space perversion in case of SHODAN).

(Shit-tier list for comparison: Cybermen)

Ok, but the amount of robots in existence that for various human reasons have assholes installed on them … might make the term damaging to robots as well. So it’s def not encouraged.

Not to mention how assholeless robots could be introduced to so many new pleasure frontiers from the sex robots.

What I’m saying is that after a few millennia the only reference that humans once inhabited Earth will be ‘the only thing we know about this mysterious species is that they gave us robot butt sex’ (besides PFAS, microplastics, and the decimated biodiversity that is).

Shitters (and their disguising Shitlings)

No hyperthreading on that proc :/.

It’s about normalization & representation, for a lot of people to wake up that’s enough in the face of active opposition.

Does this lack the view how much a fast economic growth affects different people & the difficulties that come with that?

China overall grew a lot in a century but most of that was in big cities (old & new ones), it wasn’t uncommon that nearby smol cities & villages not too far from those cities weren’t even really connected in a sort of daily practical way (railroad or direct road to go buy things & come beck the same day) until a few decades ago (there were huge efforts, good & “not-so-good” ones to relocate people to cities - which would decrease income disparity but on the count of hard cultural shifts for people affected).

What you get it is vast differences in economy where the worlds of “200 monies is not something I notice” and “200 monies is how much I save in a few good years” coexist in the same region where both of those two live their normal lives. The first one being like an average worker but in a modern city & the later one like a farmer living off the land (and not really having a monetary income beyond that of small trade to buy necessities they can’t grow).

But medicine & healthcare in general isn’t a system that works like that. You don’t want old drugs on the “undeveloped” periphery, that doesn’t make sense, you want the same standard everywhere. Same for the staff & equipment (you wouldn’t teach medics in an outdated facility & make them use outdated equipment & pay them less bcs of that).

And that makes shit like this happen even if things were properly managed (which ofc they aren’t).

The gov is indeed very pro labor productivity afaik, and the productivity needed is somewhat guided (a bit less strictly solely financially motivated compared to western capitalism, but that too ofc) so if they are linking rights to an employer that is surely for keeping up the productivity (and workers not pursuing lives without “regular work”).

Venn of this is just two concentric circles.

Yes, absolutely.
But does anyone love it?

That’s a dead dragon carcass, worship it.