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    Weird article. If cites a piece of research by an Israeli university. But by now it should be clear that public opinion in Europe has become anti-Israel not because of anti-semitism, but because of the terrible war Israel has waged on civilians in Gaza. This research was biased and poorly executed.

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        I pity the Israelis. They’ve had quite good governments, but with Netanyahu, they have a de facto dictator and propaganda is up and fairness is out of the window.

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          Don’t, Netanyahu’s policies are popular in Israel, so are Ben Givir’s. They are simply the figureheads of a broadly endorsed program of Palestinian Genocide across Israeli society, that is what makes Israel so scary.

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            Netanyahu’s policies are popular in Israel, so are Ben Givir’s.

            According to a political poll conducted in Israel on July 12, 2026,

            Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party would have won 24 of the Knesset’s 120 seats if an election had been held that day. That was down four seats from a similar poll in March, when Likud was projected to win 28 seats. [In the parliamentary election of November 2022, Likud won 32 seatst.]

            As of March 2025,

            a majority of Israelis held an unfavorable opinion of their Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. A year prior, Netanyahu’s approval rating slumped to 41 percent, the lowest in over a decade. 58 percent of Israeli adults did not approve of him at that time. This represented a significant loss of support since the politician’s peak popularity in 2015. Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war on October 7, 2023, the Prime Minister has faced a growing disapproval and was losing ground in the polls.

            My personal experience with the Near East is very limited, I just know a handful of migrants living in Europe of either Palestinian or Israeli origin (one of them is half-Palestinian, half-Jew). Literally all of them reject Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and most other government officials in Israel and the wider region, but they are friends with people of the other ethnicity.

            All they want is a normal life for themselves and the people in the region, they say.

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              STOP, you are conflating the popularity of politicians and their parties with the popularity of their policies.

              My point is the policies of Netanyahu, Ben Givir and others are popular in Israeli society, to an extremely concerning degree, if anything Israeli society seems to see putting the blame squarely on figures like Netanyahu and Ben Givir as an easy way to get out of still broadly endorsing the policies of both without having to grapple with the deeper existential crisis of their own failing to extend a basic humanity to Palestinians.

              Israeli’s according to the polling don’t have a problem with the goal of pursuing the extermination of Palestinians, they just don’t like how the current people in charge are going about it and how bad it is making them look globally.

              There is no more foreboding sign of how sick a society has become than the presence of an overpowering obsession with replacing problematic rightwing fascist leaders with other fascist rightwing leaders to solve problems that arise from pursuing rightwing fascist policies.

              There is no functional leftwing in Israel, they are all in jail or have been beaten and intimidated into silence and all that remains is a hopeless circus of fascist rightwing leaders clamoring to replace the current fascist rightwing leaders without any discussion about changing the actual fascist policies.

              https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/20/middleeast/israel-far-right-settlements-gaza-intl

              With elections looming in October, Israel’s right wing is turning the push to rebuild Jewish settlements in Gaza into a central issue of their campaign.

              It is part of a broader effort to push Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to reverse the 2005 disengagement from the coastal enclave that saw Israel unilaterally uproot its settlements.

              On Sunday, National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich – two key far-right members of Netanyahu’s government – led thousands of Israeli settlers and activists to the Gaza perimeter demanding the reestablishment of three settlements in northern Gaza: Nisanit, Dugit and Elei Sinai. Organized by the hardline Nachala settler movement, the demonstration included senior government ministers and lawmakers. The demonstration is more than just a political stunt meant to secure right-wing votes. Expanding settlements in the occupied West Bank and rebuilding settlements in Gaza are an open dream of Israel’s far-right, and they see the current moment in time with Israel occupying more than half of Gaza as a prime opportunity to pressure Netanyahu to advance their agenda.

              https://www.timesofisrael.com/battle-for-the-center-large-majority-of-israelis-already-know-how-theyll-vote-poll/

              Compared to the same survey a year ago, the results of this poll indicated a modest continuation of the Jewish Israeli public’s rightward shift, with 66% of Jewish respondents identifying as on the right, compared to 63% in July 2025.

              Meanwhile, the share of Jewish voters who identified as “exactly in the center” grew from 10% in July 2025 to 13% in July 2026, while the share of those who identified as on the left shrank from 22% a year ago to just 19% this time.

              Strikingly, only 3% of Jewish respondents this year said they identified as on the left. None, or a negligible number, identified as “far left.”

              Among Arab respondents, about half identified as on the left, similar to last year, while the share of Arab voters who said they couldn’t find any place for themselves on the political map went down from 21% last year to 15% this time.

              Given the context of the ongoing, roaring Palestinian Genocide, these polling statistics indisputably indicate Israeli society has descended deeply into embracing Genocide and violence, i.e. Israel has become a fascist society not just a society ruled by fascism.

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          I pity the Israelis.

          I don’t. Israel is an excellent case study in how you can’t do half a fascism; you either make some effort to respect others’ human rights or you sink down the ultranationalism hellhole and get a Netanyahu. A democracy based on securing lebensraum for the ubermensch is just not how the world works.

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        Jpost definitely, Israel Times deserves some nuance. It’s definitely Zionist as hell, but it follows a strain of liberal (still fascist) Zionism that’s sometimes capable of tolerating dissent.

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      But by now it should be clear that public opinion in Europe has become anti-Israel not because of anti-semitism, but because of the terrible war Israel has waged on civilians in Gaza.

      I mean that’s (through a Zionist filter) exactly what it’s saying. It’s just that the authors of the report agree with the terrible war Israel has waged on civilians in Gaza, and all the other terrible wars Israel has waged on civilians in Gaza and elsewhere, so their solution isn’t “let’s not wage terrible wars on civilians,” but “here’s how we can get the narrative back under control so we can keep waging our terrible wars on civilians.” The research was neither biased nor poorly executed; it was fascist.

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    The article is kind of shit probably because it is an Israeli source. They only criticise themselves for not being able to convince others that Israel is good but never their own actions that lead to others having a negative opinion on Israel. Plus the framing under each picture of Pro-Palestinian protestors that they also are “anti Israel”.

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    They’re driven by the fact that a bunch of assholes killing innocents is a bad thing. I know that this is a difficult concept to grasp, but it really is important.

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    Officials must reach out to moderate elements within European social democracies, engage in open dialogue, and avoid labeling all criticism and hostile diplomatic initiatives as antisemitism.

    Just as an idea: They could also stop the illegal annexation (at least) beyond their 1967 border.

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    … ? Well, fucking duuuuuuhhhh?

    diplomatic failures, national narratives and virtue signaling

    Oh yes, that is surely why people are being all mean against the genocidal maniacs.

    Edit: why are we platforming this site?

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      There is more stuff in it. Like as in Germany and Austria not doing it, because of guilt of the Holocaust. So being too critical is seen as a political issue. Poland not doing it, because they really want US support against Russia. The UK, France and Germany being big enough players that they have some actual interest in the Middle East beyond the symbolic, which make going against Israel more problematic.

      Just as an example. I see a lot of post comparing the current genocide committed by Israel to the Holocaust. That however is a horrible idea, if you want to convince Germany or Austria to do something against Israel. As in both of them have a historical debt to Jews and that easily translate to Israel as a Jewish state. It therefore means that they “have to” support Israel. It would be much smarter to not deliberately make the connection and if it is brought up, then to talk about that debt being void, as Israel is committing genocide.

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      The headline is obvious… just by accident. The four lines or so I could stomach make it clear that it’s a fluke. At a passing glance, it looks like they are close to getting the actual point. The ingress(?) makes it clear that that is not the case, they’re blaming this on “virtue signalling”, of all things. Because, y’know, that’s not a red flag or anything.

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      Unfortunately Zionist propaganda sometimes works, so yes. Here though it’s a case of the dealer getting high on their own fascist supply; the report is a foreign policy recommendation for how Israel could do Zionist propaganda better to reduce the number of its European critics.

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      “The obvious” according to the headline is that criticism of Israel by European governments isn’t driven by Muslims or Antisemites. The fly in the ointment is that according to the article, many countries in Europe lack a “sense of historical debt or guilt” regardless of the question whether there should be any in the particular countries.

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    Obviously, your traditional European-style antisemite would be a racial essentialist who argues that sinister Middle Eastern aliens are polluting Europe’s ancient and noble culture and bloodlines, and would probably have a Roman statue as their Xitter avatar. They wouldn’t be the sorts of people to be concerned about the human rights of brown-skinned people in the Middle East, and even if they try to fake such concern, it’d be visible from a mile off.

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    Perpetrators of a genocide would have to not be engaging in carrying out a genocide, for that to be possible. But, that stament is a tautology. Also, how far should we care about the meaning of words? Palestinians are far more semitic in ancestry than Israelis.

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      I don’t think that the logic holds here. There absolutely are people who take the pro-Palestinian side not because they actually oppose what Israel is doing, but because they hate Jews and see it as an opportunity to “justify” that hatred

      A good example is the former British National Party leader Nick Griffin. Thankfully, he is no longer active in politics and wasn’t very good at it when he was, but he makes for a good example. He was simultaneously anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic, and anti-Muslim because he was just a massive fucking racist stain on society

      It’s good that people like Griffin aren’t leading the conversation. They are out there, though, and we ought to be wary of them

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        They exist, but I wonder how much that group really matters in the big picture. Anecdotally I’ve never seen this angle in my life, except as a Zionist talking point aiming to delegitimize criticism. Russia, too, is a huge fan of that tactic: got an issue with genocide, wow, can’t believe you’d be that russophobic, big honking crocodile tears, Sad-imir Putin. The Zionists have been equally blatant.