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      This is bullshit astroturfing from the Liberal government trying to twist gun crime statistics to fit their narrative in preparation for the Supreme Court case regarding their use of the Order-in-Council power to ban firearms.

      They’ve decided to generously (read: absurdly) redefine what it means for a gun to be involved in crime.

      If a lawfully owned firearm is recovered from a crime scene, even if that firearm was sitting in a safe unrelated to the crime, it’s still counted in their new interpretation of the existing statistics.

      Most gun crime in Canada that meets the sensible and reasonable definition is committed with illegally smuggled firearms, no matter what special interest groups like PolySeSouvient would happily lie to get you to believe.

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    • Shooter claims to want to destroy the West.
    • Kills an Arab policeman
    • Police try to respond
    • They kill a Jew standing nearby

    The entire situation is emblematic of the wreck this country is.

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    But let’s keep the expensive and ineffective gun laws and propose more. After all polytechnique and whatever.

    Note: I do not oppose all gun laws or gun licensing. I am in favor of the basic licensing scheme (with some modifications). I am not in favor of banning handguns (which have grandfathered by bill c-21 and the previous freeze in 2022) nor am I in favor of banning any firearm by model or action. As they are doing.

    It is a massive money sink and it serves no more than expensive security theater and assuaging the fears of the rich so there are fewer potential Canadian Luigis.

    I said it. The gun laws along with every other bullshit surveillance law are basically validating every nutcase conspiracy theorists views.

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      So do the same thing as the USA and expect something different to happen. I don’t understand why you people don’t just fuck off to a trailer park in Orlando.

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        Canada is not, never has, and never will be the united States. I remember in the mid 90s talking to some Canadians who thought Canadian gun laws were ultra strict and fully banned firearms and said ‘look New York City had 2K murders while Toronto had 30 and they don’t allow firearms anywhere near the city. Less guns and more control is the reason’.

        This was in 1996. Canadian gun laws were nonexistent back then. Yet the rate still vastely lower (and both NYC and New York state had far, far more gun control than Canada at the time). They didn’t even need a permit to own most guns back then and ammunition was entirely uncontrolled. Yet for some reason he acted like guns were a purely American thing and vastly overestimated the gun laws in Canada. Also Toronto does not have any laws forbidding gun ownership in the city now, let alone in 1996.

        I also looked through a Playboy magazine (for the articles!) From 1981 that had a poster comparing gun violence in the US to Canada, Australia, the UK, and Japan. In 1981 there was so little gun laws in both Canada (even less than the 90s) and barely any in Australia. The UK had strict laws but almost no type of firearm banned. Japan’s shown rate was significantly higher than today for some reason.

        Even in Australia there were still mass shootings before Bondi Beach and from 1996 to 2010 the rate of mass murder in general remained consistent and more lethal per incident, with arson sharply rising in deadliness and incident at the same time firearms became less prevalent.

        The line of thinking and talking has not changed despite the physical and legal reality being vastly different. Canada and the UK will not now nor would they ever be the US.

        So fuck Florida, fuck the US, and everyone who acts like it is a benchmark for anything.

        Every fucking incel rightwing jackass that has inspired to do their shit by right wing influencers and the only reaction is never to silence them but instead amplify their voices while passing internet restrictions and surveillance that only stop people from doing anything about it.

        We have been seeing a militant, international murderous rise of incel motherfuckers and not a singular damn thing done about them. If your mentality is ‘as long as they don’t do it with a gun I am fine’ then there is something deeply wrong with you.

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      Note: I do not oppose all gun laws or gun licensing. I am in favor of the basic licensing scheme (with some modifications). I am not in favor of banning handguns (which have grandfathered by bill c-21 and the previous freeze in 2022) nor am I in favor of banning any firearm by model or action. As they are doing.

      Actually, the law was surprisingly effective

      About 30% of crime handguns used to come from Canadian stores. Some citizens with a valid possession and acquisition licence used to buy guns and sell them illegally :

      https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/man-facing-15-counts-of-firearms-trafficking-one-of-8-recently-charged-in-straw-buying-cases/

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alert-guns-investigations-weapons-drugs-straw-buyers-1.5145282

      Now this source of handguns has practically disapeared.

      They now exclusively come from the United States.

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        Also if you want quote those people here is another one like them from a few years ago.

        https://crimecanada.ca/rcmp-report-most-crime-guns-domestically-sourced-in-canada/

        This article is flawed as fuck, but apparently handguns still make up 9+% of domestic crime handguns despite sales having been halted fully since November 2022. Before the most I could find was roughly 15%. Which was in the same ballpark it has been for decades. Straw purchases for Canadian handguns have been impossible for a long time and with people unable to buy new ones unless those straw purchases were the only ones buying your assumption is impossible.

        And again, that specific article I mentioned is bullshit. It purposely excluded Ontario and Québec.

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        None of those say anything about handguns and how many were handguns. Many rifles (arbitrarily) were restricted, too.

        Edit: also police have their handguns lost or stolen a lot more often than you think.

        Either way it does not justify this law.

        Edit2: I looked for your claim that domestic sources disappeared and haven’t found anything supporting your claim.

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      Cop at around 2:30 of the video talks about “straw purhcases”, where people who have gone through the system to be eligible to buy guns are passing them on to people who are not eligible.

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        Those are already illegal as fuck.

        Edit: he was also talking about straw purchases in the US. Not Canada. You are implying that Canadians are straw purchasing for unqualified Canadians. This a lot harder than you think to do without being crushed immediately over here for non-restricted firearms and is impossible to do with restricted.