You’re going to be able to find instances where it doesn’t fully work, where positions don’t evolve. Obama era Democrats were mostly neoliberal, which factored into why Trump was able to take power.
But that shouldn’t stop you from voting against the guy who is going to do more damage.
You’re going to be able to find instances where it doesn’t fully work
What you mean is it never works when it actually matters. The two pivotal moments of Biden’s presidency was the rail workers gearing up to strike and the protests around support of Israel. In both instances he and nearly every Democratic politician told voters to go fuck themselves.
Which is infuriating enough and the only thing more irritating is the endless number of people like yourself trying to tell us that didn’t happen.
I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m saying it distracted enough voters from the threat of the GOP, of Trump, of Project 2025, of the white Christian nationalist movement, that they allowed it all to happen.
Now Palestine is even worse off, as are the rail workers. As are we all.
Your position raises a valid concern. The human species just might not be able to organize from the left well enough to stop the right with a charismatic strongman, a base of uneducated soldiers and the financial support of the ownership class. The left may, in fact, be unable to organize due to internal differences. It sucks if that’s the case. I hope not, but I haven’t ruled it out.
The left may, in fact, be unable to organize due to internal differences.
The politician you expect me to vote for tells me to go fuck myself and you call it “internal differences”.
Yeah okay bud.
You’re speaking as if there’s equal blame here. There isn’t. Liberals have treated leftists like second class voters for decades rather than making real concessions. They’re calling all the shots and that means they own all the responsibility.
And curiously, you think the solution is to let the Republicans, who hate you even more and have now set up concentration camps, win.
I do not refute that some of the Democratic organizations are captured by corporate interests, but the Republicans are even more captured, and pose a dire threat to the meager democratic features of the US political system.
I do not refute that some of the Democratic organizations are captured by corporate interests, but the Republicans are even more captured, and pose a dire threat to the meager democratic features of the US political system.
And you’ve decided the best way you can contribute to the situation is tell Leftists the same thing they’ve been hearing for 40+ years? That strategy is no longer effective. It has lost to Donald Trump twice now. When do you finally decide to appeal to Liberal voters and tell them it’s time to make real concessions with Leftists in the Democratic primaries if they want to win elections?
Part of why that strategy lost to Donald Trump twice now is because the Republican propaganda machine, including Russian state actors and Cambridge Analytica levied a massive campaign against the Democrats. And its largest push was to get Americans – black Americans specifically – to not vote. Tens of millions were spent discouraging voting.
So regardless of what you or I think, the Republican strategists that decide how to budget their campaign believe Democrats voting is pretty darned important. Perhaps that’s why voter suppression is central to the Republican platform: if more people vote, Democrats win. If fewer people vote, they win.
I do agree with you. It’s not enough for Democrats merely to campaign harder (as Biden advised soon after his presidential victory). And I admit I don’t have all the answers, but this single graphic is not the sum of my effort.
If I preferred MAGA to far-left politics I wouldn’t be looking for ways to aid the resistance at all.
If I preferred MAGA to far-left politics I wouldn’t be looking for ways to aid the resistance at all.
On the contrary, if you prefer MAGA the best way you can help them is spend all day deflecting responsibility away from liberals and their failures. Thereby allowing liberal voters to show up to future Democratic primaries to vote for more pro-corporate trash guilt free.
Leave your electoral apologia out the /c/:
Your votes all amounted to empowering Nazis back into power. You refuse to directly act, because it’s inconvenient to your positions.
Voting is exactly how the electoral college elected them 5 times. Thrice against you, twice for you.
That’s the problem. More people voted for Biden than voted for Harris or Clinton. Democrats were unmotivated to stop Trump from winning, and in all three elections, he was a greater threat no matter who was running against him.
I don’t like the EC either. In fact, no-one other than the far right likes the EC.
Why didn’t they do so thrice when they were in power?
You’re going to be able to find instances where it doesn’t fully work, where positions don’t evolve. Obama era Democrats were mostly neoliberal, which factored into why Trump was able to take power.
But that shouldn’t stop you from voting against the guy who is going to do more damage.
Voting is the least an activist might do.
What you mean is it never works when it actually matters. The two pivotal moments of Biden’s presidency was the rail workers gearing up to strike and the protests around support of Israel. In both instances he and nearly every Democratic politician told voters to go fuck themselves.
Which is infuriating enough and the only thing more irritating is the endless number of people like yourself trying to tell us that didn’t happen.
I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m saying it distracted enough voters from the threat of the GOP, of Trump, of Project 2025, of the white Christian nationalist movement, that they allowed it all to happen.
Now Palestine is even worse off, as are the rail workers. As are we all.
Your position raises a valid concern. The human species just might not be able to organize from the left well enough to stop the right with a charismatic strongman, a base of uneducated soldiers and the financial support of the ownership class. The left may, in fact, be unable to organize due to internal differences. It sucks if that’s the case. I hope not, but I haven’t ruled it out.
The politician you expect me to vote for tells me to go fuck myself and you call it “internal differences”.
Yeah okay bud.
You’re speaking as if there’s equal blame here. There isn’t. Liberals have treated leftists like second class voters for decades rather than making real concessions. They’re calling all the shots and that means they own all the responsibility.
And curiously, you think the solution is to let the Republicans, who hate you even more and have now set up concentration camps, win.
I do not refute that some of the Democratic organizations are captured by corporate interests, but the Republicans are even more captured, and pose a dire threat to the meager democratic features of the US political system.
Maybe you’re an accelerationist?
And you’ve decided the best way you can contribute to the situation is tell Leftists the same thing they’ve been hearing for 40+ years? That strategy is no longer effective. It has lost to Donald Trump twice now. When do you finally decide to appeal to Liberal voters and tell them it’s time to make real concessions with Leftists in the Democratic primaries if they want to win elections?
Maybe you prefer MAGA to Leftists.
Part of why that strategy lost to Donald Trump twice now is because the Republican propaganda machine, including Russian state actors and Cambridge Analytica levied a massive campaign against the Democrats. And its largest push was to get Americans – black Americans specifically – to not vote. Tens of millions were spent discouraging voting.
So regardless of what you or I think, the Republican strategists that decide how to budget their campaign believe Democrats voting is pretty darned important. Perhaps that’s why voter suppression is central to the Republican platform: if more people vote, Democrats win. If fewer people vote, they win.
I do agree with you. It’s not enough for Democrats merely to campaign harder (as Biden advised soon after his presidential victory). And I admit I don’t have all the answers, but this single graphic is not the sum of my effort.
If I preferred MAGA to far-left politics I wouldn’t be looking for ways to aid the resistance at all.
On the contrary, if you prefer MAGA the best way you can help them is spend all day deflecting responsibility away from liberals and their failures. Thereby allowing liberal voters to show up to future Democratic primaries to vote for more pro-corporate trash guilt free.
Leave your electoral apologia out the /c/: Your votes all amounted to empowering Nazis back into power. You refuse to directly act, because it’s inconvenient to your positions.
Voting is exactly how the electoral college elected them 5 times. Thrice against you, twice for you.
That’s the problem. More people voted for Biden than voted for Harris or Clinton. Democrats were unmotivated to stop Trump from winning, and in all three elections, he was a greater threat no matter who was running against him.
I don’t like the EC either. In fact, no-one other than the far right likes the EC.