I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that someone can be this stupid unintentionally.
“Tiny Man Square” LMAO…. The coward won’t even say it.
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Let’s be clear: giving Tiananmen Square a juvenile nickname is a propaganda strategy to make people who disagree with him feel equally stupid and juvenile. Davel’s entire spiel is, top to bottom, hypocrisy, as he’ll happily weaponize whatever propaganda techniques he can use while mocking others for falling for it, completely oblivious that his body is 72% Kool-Aid at this point.
The irony of his rant about uncomfortable truths will likely be forever lost on him.
Dudes a massive coward that can’t stand up to scrutiny in the slightest. He just spews his copypasta propaganda and then he bails. Only after reaching out to mods/admins to get people’s shit removed/banned.
the cult programming goes deeeeeep
Dave complaining about censorship? Wild.
Right? It’s almost like he knows he’s both the joke and the punchline.
Who Dave?
“the only moral censorship, is my censorship”-TANKIES and conservatives.
“Tiny Man Square”? Who is this guy afraid of?
That part reads as “the ignorant westerners are so uninformed and propagandized that they don’t even know the name of the square” to me
It reads like he’s afraid to say the actual name.
If he was afraid of censors he would avoid the topic entirely as common malapropisms like “Tiny Man Square” and “See See Pee” are almost certainly considered.
Most often these phrases are brought out to mock the person they’re replaying too. For example, before I knew that it wasn’t actually called the “Chinese Communist Party” or “CCP”, which is just what the American State Department calls them in order to make it easy to identify the allegiance of an author, I’d get a lot of “is the see see pee in the room with you now?” replies.
Mabey it’s like Voldemort and the call of his name brings death eaters. Instead it’s trolls and a loss of social credits.
What the heck is an anti-kitten burning coalition?
Edit: Found it: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/27/rick-santorum-and-the-anti-kitten-burning-coalition/
Some stupid shit they have to make up so they feel like they’re the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys.
Apparently we burn kittens?
Other way around. He’s accusing us of accusing them of (metaphorically) burning kittens so we can feel good about ourselves on some artificial high ground
Either way, it’s convoluted bullshit to make them appear either the victor or the victim. And it’s pathetic.
If you read your theory, you would be aware that kittens are sustainable fuel and burning them is based.
I can’t wait for the new AI datacenters to be powered by orphan crushing machines
It’s a reference that I imagine political people under 35 won’t catch without doing a search online.
A reference:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2014/12/21/the-anti-kitten-burning-coalition-again/
That link isn’t working for me.
Hm. To provide context then: It is an argument device used by Fred Clark, who goes by Slacktivist, in his writing. His posts are hosted on the Patheos site as he is a religious albeit leftist writer. The link I provided is just one article where he uses it.
That should hopefully help you navigate towards it, if you’re so inclined.
Yeah that worked, thanks for the help.
Rooting for and defending dictators also are an endorphin hit.
Source: Talked to ex-tankies, know some current dictator fans (usually right-leaning).
Have they tried rooting for their local sports team who hasn’t won a game in years? Its basically the same thing.
They often did in addition to the others.
What stopped them from being tankies?
Depends, some realized how dumb they were, some got backstabbed by other tankies, some were just edgy teens who choose Stalin instead of Hitler.
He’s the proud 1%er who knows what really happened in tiny man square! Trust him, bro’!
That’s really the only reaction i can give to his whole rant.
Dude is fucked in the head.
I’m pretty sure that video I watched a while back with all the bodies was a good indicator of what happened in tankie heaven.
Man, the sheer logic leap about feel good endorphins being equivalent to a drug hit. So are you doing drugs when you post things in support of China? Or anything else you feel you have the moral highground on?
Complete nonsense. Once again they exempt themselves from their own “logic”.
Mods will be looking for excuses
That’s how you, a bad moderator, operate.
That isn’t how the majority of actually competent moderators do shit.
IIRC the western view is inaccurate, in that we typically figure “authorities mercilessly crushed dissent” and the reality is more like “local authorities were swayed by the dissent and nearly turned against the government, so the government sent the goddamn army to crush those authorities too.”
But the one-party state declares itself the only representation of the people’s will, so obviously any popular defiance is a contradiction.
Yup. To make an American parallel, imagine if cops suddenly joined in on left wing anti-Trump protests… And then in response, Trump rolled tanks in and crushed both protesters and cops.
The message behind Tiananmen Square wasn’t for the protestors, because they already knew what was at stake. The message was for the authorities who may have been considering doing similar things. Stay in line and support the administration; the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.
“local authorities were swayed by the dissent and nearly turned against the government, so the government sent the goddamn army to crush those authorities too.”
It’s an ancient tankie tradition, after all. Hell, it doesn’t get more traditional than where you get the name from.
Chairman Celestia: “Tell me, anarchists, do you like… bananas?”
more like “local authorities were swayed by the dissent and nearly turned against the government, so the government sent the goddamn army to crush those authorities too.”
In other words “authorities mercilessly crushed dissent”?
Why is it always the brainwashed that can’t stop whining about brainwashing and how THEY sound the cure?
Watching all of you argue ad nasuem about what state is the goodest boi is infuriating. On a macro level its just tribalism again.
Good share bud! Thanks!!
I see you are employing the UniversalMonk strategy instead of engaging. It’d be nice to talk about why people feel the need to defend ravenous states but okay.
It’s not employing anything let alone implying anything that douchebag says or does-
But when someone pops in with their two cents being- “you’re both being dumb”- it’s a safe bet that you won’t be met with an invitation to discuss your profundity more deeply.
I mean you gotta realize at one point it is just tribalism, right? How many China Bad, US bad arguments can we have before we get some nuance?
Y’know you’re kinda not wrong, but the thing you (and every tankie, but of course with them it’s by design) seem to miss is that “China bad” doesn’t mean “US good.” “US better” doesn’t even mean “US good.”
This community exists solely to push back on the pro red-flavored-authoritarianism sect of lemmy.
From my instance these posts cause ripples where I see spats between the sects. So it gets on my nerves sometimes. My bad.
Do you know where we are right now? Maybe check the comm you’ve come to flash that pearly white armor in and readdress the issue accordingly.
I know. Sometimes I just comment what I am thinking.
Off topic but I d rather choose CCP than current US gov
Neither is a damn good choice.
No shit! Though us would destroy planet. One much worse than another
LMAO, no. Not even close.
I love how in your last post here you claimed people were insulting you and being childish then you post this shit lmao. Davel and others on .ml have posted other things on the subject you just cherry-picked this to get internet points. Deeply unserious.
The Tian’anmen Square “massacre” narrative is a collection of lies and propaganda used by the CIA to get (mostly) westoids to hate the PRC. Anyone who continues to believe it does the state department’s work for free. Here’s another overview on the events that will help with deprogramming.
TLDR: “it’s good when soldiers murder civilian protesters.”
That sentiment’s gonna be a tough one for me to accept dawg.
Your sources contradict each other btw.
It is horrible that people died, especially the soliders the CIA-backed protesters brutally killed. The CPC had to crackdown on the foreign influence that was trying to overthrow the government.
This is the problem with tankies: immoral contempt for universal human rights, the ends justify the means.
tankies
People can we please stop using this word it doesn’t mean anything and MLs don’t take offense from it!
Despite us disagreeing I still think you deserve free healthcare, housing, education, a fair payment for work free of exploitation, and good healthy living conditions.
But not protection of universal human rights from unrestricted government authority: deal breaker & immoral.
You’re right there are some “human rights” I don’t believe should be protected, for example the ability to freely become a capitalist. Capitalism, and by extension fascism, needs to be repressed since both are oppressive, exploitative, and destructive systems that prevent the progression of human development.
So you come here to spread your bullshit and propaganda in his defense? Loving those “reliable” sources of yours!
LMAO!
Nah I do this for the love of the game. And where are your reliable sources that prove what you say? Go ahead and check the CIA archives I’ll wait.
Reliable sources?
I call to the stand- REALITY.
Oh and hey bud, while reality is up there ripping the living shit out of your flimsy argument- take note how you’re not being removed or blocked for the dumb shit you’re saying here.
Lastly- to the rest of us, it’s not a game. I get that your entitlement doesn’t let you see thar we’ve been playing with live ammo here, but people are suffering because of ignorance spread by idiots that follow the propaganda you follow.
And you have nothing. If you’d take the time to read what I posted in them are specific sources that do explain reality. I don’t blindly accept Western propaganda/talking points like I used to.
playing with live ammo
What are you talking about? lol
Also who is suffering because I don’t believe CIA claims?
I mean go ahead and remove/ban me if you want, I’ll take it as a badge of honor 😁
I have nothing? If we suspend reality and insert your weird little propagandized version of it, I suppose you could say that. But as far as taking the time to read the bullshit you shared? No. That’s not gonna happen, bud.
When someone says dumb shit like “I don’t believe in CIA claims” about a VERY public and very well known even in history, I tend to dismiss them and everything they have to say as irrelevant and not worth the effort to take seriously. Im sure you’re pretty acclimated to this by now.
And playing with live ammo. Seriously? You’ve never heard this term? I’m surprised considering how you all goon yourselves dehydrated over public displays of warfare,
I mean… come on! All those innocent victims of the TIANANMEN SQUARE didn’t just massacre themselves, right? Someone had to anoint all those tanks with…. “good luck”.
I’ll digress.
What people in the real world mean by “playing with live ammo” is that all decisions are final. There’s no practice rounds. And your entitlement enabled Putin’s little butt-puppet to bring hell on earth down on many innocent people.
But that’s the point, isn’t it?
Lastly, I don’t have the power to remove or ban you- and even if I did, I’d leave your embarrassing bullshit up as an shining example of why this community exists.
I’m not the one with nothing, comrade.
You’re still not saying anything of substance and nothing to make me realign with your worldview
Very public and very well known
Overwhelmingly the evidence points to there being no massacre and I’ve provided sources for it. Here’s another comment I made on this post providing more.
taking the time to read, no
Continue to be purposefully ignorant then idk
Did you miss the part where I said I don’t waste my time debating people who say dumb shit? That you can actually believe ridiculous nonsense like that doesn’t bode well for any attempt I might make to change your mind- so why would I try?
And that I’ve already told you that I’m not reading your propaganda- and you post it anyway clearly shows you don’t command the grey matter to discuss anything worthwhile.
I’ll ask the question which I already know from experience to be tankie kryptonite:
What sources, to you, are reliable? Wikipedia? Al Jazeera? UN reports? Something else? What could I point to, that you would believe after I pointed to it?
Because their whole worldview is based on groupthink and hostility, they won’t answer this question. Because they know what the next step would be as soon as they admitted some particular source into the equation and let the conversation become grounded in reality…
tankie
I want to let know this word means nothing and doesn’t have the effect you’re hoping for.
What sources, to you, are reliable?
Basically sources that don’t advance Western imperialism. The US has been trying to destabilize and overthrow the PRC government since it was founded so I don’t take any of their claims to heart. The interests of capital clearly have an agenda and spends millions of dollars to make us think a certain way - in this case to make us against China. I also got over my sinophobia so its easier to read things directly from China or things about the country.
This source goes in how Western media got it wrong at first and they had to walk it back, one directly from China, another from China, one about how the US fabricated the lie, and one from the UK just to show that there is some credible information coming from the West. Even the rest of the video of “Tank man” shows him go on top the tank, talk with a soldier, then gets off peacefully. Overwhelmingly the evidence shows there was no massacre.
This isn’t the only thing the US/West lies about either, they lie about virtually everything and things become clearer the more you read and break out of the propaganda wall.
What sources, to you, are reliable?
Basically sources that don’t advance Western imperialism.
Cool! That was unexpectedly broad. So just to be specific, is Al Jazeera included in that?
Actually, follow-up question: Does it include Noam Chomsky?
Al Jazeera is hit or miss. Chomsky is trash.
Great. So your criteria include a little bit more than just “sources that don’t advance Western imperialism.” Can you give some examples? Maybe, like, a couple of academic sources, and a couple of journalistic ones?
(Like I said, I’ve had this conversation before, more than once. I’m well aware of why you are so reluctant to give a straight answer to this simple question. I’m curious whether you are aware of why you aren’t able to give a straight answer…)
How 'bout эетник? Дебил.
What a deeply unserious person you are. Do you even read theory? Obvious troll.
Username checks out
Sees someone post sources that challenge my manufactured worldview - must be a troll!
Prole wiki and autistic ci, known CIA propaganda sites. Try harder, fed troll
Simply reading prolewiki’s and autistici’s about pages will show that your claims are asinine. Nice sprinkle of ableism too bigot
You use the language of real leftists, but not like a native speaker. Go back to Quantico, fed troll. Take more classes.
Why would a fed post things that go against fed-programming 😭
Run your weird psyop somewhere else. Plonk
Do you have any reputable or neutral sources? Since yours aren’t particularly convincing.
and westoid? what is that? aren’t you a westoid?
