Beyond disturbing!
Investigators say one of the accused was armed with a hammer.
“All of these attacks were extremely violent and they targeted vulnerable members of our city,” McCabe said Monday.
charged with second-degree murder
Why isn’t the charge 1st-degree murder?
This was planned and deliberate.
I see it. He was attacked, went to the hospital, was released, died several days later, it was determined that his death was related to the earlier attack.
Because of that time period between the attack and the death, it would be harder to secure a conviction on first degree murder. A second degree charge will get a guilty verdict where a first degree might not.
Would that even matter? He died within days because of this planned and deliberate attack.
Because it’s hard to prove you beat someone with the intent of killing them when they didn’t die, but rather went to the hospital, were treated, and were subsequently released. Also going to be tougher because the hospital’s role in this is going to be rightfully questioned as well. He may be dead because of negligence.
This is so frustrating, because I get what you’re saying and wish the legal system didn’t work the way it does.
My thought is this: had he NOT been given medical attention, would he have died from being beaten with a hammer? It sounds like YES, considering he died even after treatment.
If that’s the case, what excuse does someone have to beat another person with a hammer without the intent to kill them? This wasn’t an argument in a workshop gone bad, these were two individuals who walked around with a weapon specifically to use against other people in targeted attacks.
And they didn’t just try to kill this one guy, they targeted and attacked multiple people from the sound of it.
Yeah, this one is pretty sickening. I think it more likely that this guy would have died without medical attention than as a direct result of treatment, but that’s probably not relevant to the charge anyway. The victim probably died from his wounds, but it sounds more like the idiots who did it intended to rough him up for fun. They had hammers and didn’t aim to cave the guy’s skull in. Evidently the hospital didn’t think it was that serious either, but damn, any serious beating has the potential for this. It would be like popping someone in a bar fight. Even if you were looking for trouble, it’s pretty unlikely you meant to kill someone with a punch to the ribs, but it does happen. So they’ll get murder, just not premeditated murder. Hopefully they weigh the brutality of the attack, and the intentional targetting of the homeless victims and put the adult away for a good long time. 12 year old isn’t even old enough to fall under the YOA, but might get tried that way anyway depending on circumstances. Just sad all around here.
Honestly, I think they might even be rolling the dice on second degree. Yes, there was planning. Yes, it appears to have been “intimidation or criminal harassment” (both under first degree). Intent is the thing here. Since the victim didn’t die for many days, and since the two were also arrested on robbery charges in the wake of two other incidents with other people, it’s plenty arguable by the defense that they didn’t intend to kill the victim.
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What does unhoused mean? Homeless?
If so, I don’t understand why there has to be a new name for it lol. You are either less a home, or unhoused. Same thing right?
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Oh, I assumed it was the other way around: I may have a roof over my head, a car, a couch, somewhere to be temporarily, but I don’t have a home. So it’s all homeless, and some homeless are also without any form of housing…
pretty much this. I volunteer with a couple of homeless outreaches and even we don’t use the term “unhoused” because if you’ve spent any amount of time in a shelter it’s the absolute last place you want to be. The problem is people need homes and so someone decided to kick the can down the road and say that the term homeless was demeaning and decided that unhoused was more politically correct all the why whomever came up with it I highly doubt spent a single night in a shelter.
I do volunteer work for a couple homeless outreaches, do food hand outs, etc and in Toronto violence against homeless people is VERY common it just rarely ever gets reported unless someone dies or a weapon is involved. It’s an almost weekly thing where I see a couple people who’ve been beaten while sleeping outside. They get their stuff stolen constantly (honestly, who steals from a homeless person?).
The majority of the time if someone reports it to our wonderful TPS it gets dismissed. I know the guy who died, he was attacked right directly in front of City Hall. He was messed up, went to the hospital and they let him go, said he was fine. Clearly he wasn’t fine. It’s dangerous sleeping outside in the city at night and it isn’t much better in our shelters. people get attacked there too.
If you see someone sleeping outside at night, leave them be. don’t bother them. If you want to drop off your leftovers or whatever fine but don’t wake the person up, just drop it and go. If you see someone sleeping during the day it’s likely because they’re afraid to sleep at night. leave them be.
Someone had this thread about what gives you hope. This story gives me the opposite.
