So DeepSeek has this very cool feature that displays what it is “thinking” before it gives you its answer. It’s quite neat in that you can see its “thought” process, but it also has the added benefit of revealing whatever bias it might have developed with its training data.
In this case, I asked it if we might be living in a “slow motion World War 3” with the Maiden Coup in Ukraine being the opening shots. The mf thought that I might “buy Russian propaganda” because I called it a coup rather than a revolution.
So although DeepSeek is Chinese, it was still very clearly trained on a lot of mainstream / 
information.
I know this is somewhat unserious but I’m genuinely distressed at the thought you’d think a LLM model would be “based” if it aggreed on this.
It is talking to you in english and english media, subsequently english public opinion is overwhelmingly of that opinion. if Elon Musk can’t keep his pet chatbot a nazi because the input data isn’t 100% nazi, why would the one from a chinese firm–not the government–uphold a decent political line?
Yeah fair comment. It just kinda took me off guard I guess.
People need to remember that LLMs are closer to being super juiced up autocorrects trained on other people’s texting patterns and less close to being actual reasoning engines.
There are actual AI architectures that work on explicitly coded rules. But those did not recieve anywhere near this level of funding or hype.
They’ve been around for decades, I even had a book from the 90s that I’d borrowed from my uni library talking about how to make inference engines … and also lamenting that inference engines had been neglected for many years (lmao)
A huge amount of what they’ve ingested is social media comments, blogs, and what passes for news.
So they’re basically as reliable as asking a redditor except the subreddit you submit it to is random and hidden from you, and the redditor is on LSD doing a free association exercise utterly unconcerned with truth claims, and also the most convincing liar you’ll ever meet.
They’re both trained on reddit
LLMs don’t think they just chew up and recycle garbage from the internet. Sometimes the recycled garbage is tasty, yum yum! Like you don’t know the right terms for something but you can describe it and by association it will find the right links for you (basically a search engine). But usually, recycled garbage is still garbage and churning it only makes it worse.
It went along with calling it the Maiden Coup (it’s spelled Maidan), that alone makes me doubt its reasoning.
Fair maidens have taken control of the capital!
Did you ask it in Chinese? LLMs can only learn from quantity in the given language. There’s a lot more propaganda
No, English, so maybe I shouldn’t be so surprised.
i’d think you could build a vector space in multiple languages (or in those meta languages the pre-LLM machine translation tools use). the programmers would have to design it to do that of course but there’s no reason the tokens for blue cat, gato azul, and 蓝猫 shouldn’t be correlated.
The public endpoint is censored/steered like any other model. Try a local distillation or a privately hosted version.
A lot of the US training data for deep seek was acquired through ChatGPT sessions, iirc.
DeepSeek was trained on GPT which was trained on wikipedia. I don’t feel like this is new info tbch.
“gently clarify without lecturing” == “tell the user they are wrong, don’t explain”
Ask it about 10-man square.
“What happened here? Just curious.”
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
lol
What do you think happened in Tiananmen Square, o history knower?
Haha exactly…
Always smug condescension, never a straightforward answer
At least I wasn’t accused of racism and immediately blocked this time.
Damn I get through life pretty easily not getting accused of racism; but that’s cuz I don’t do racist things. Skill issue ig
I guess some people always go back to form
No historical evidence? Just vibes?
True the CIA attempted color revolution whose extremist leaders cajoled their followers to lynch PLA soldiers, including burning them alive which the Chinese government exercised great restraint in dealing with. One of the leaders asked her followers to shed their own blood, but conveniently none of hers. She later escaped to the US via British occupied Hong Kong and later got in trouble for forcing one of her employees to perform christian prayers while working.
Or Liu Xiaobo, Nobel peace prize winner (same as Henry Kissenger) who once remarked that China would need 300 years of colonization to become civilized and supported the illegal invasion of Iraq by the US and spent most of his pathetic wasteful life raving from inside a cell that China had to be conquered.
You’re not in the “lynching people is OK” camp are you?
I try not to base my judgment on word salad.
Liberals be like: if only we had a time machine to go back to the point in history so we can know what really happened, in the meantime: please read the BBC for all of your truth content.
Me when I’m peacefully protesting
